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Tuesday, January 07, 2014

Scientific evidence that gays can be cured

It's not really a matter for debate anymore. It is eminently obvious that gays can be cured, and cure themselves, of their same-sex sexual orientations. Setting aside the obvious anecdotal examples, such as the new First Lady of New York City, the mutable nature of sexual orientation is statistically undeniable:
A controversial new study argues that a host of research on gay, lesbian and bisexual teenagers could be based on faulty data because of confused teens and “jokesters” who later said they were straight.

The report focuses on the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, a survey that followed a nationally representative group of tens of thousands of teens into adulthood. Add Health, as it is known, is considered one of the most important sources of data on the lives of young people, including those who are gay, lesbian and bisexual.

What caught the attention of Ritch Savin-Williams, a professor at Cornell University, was the fact that more than 70% of the teens who said they had ever had a “romantic attraction” to someone of the same sex later told researchers that they were straight.
Sure, the "jokester" theory is one possible explanation. As is the hoary old "cultural stigma" concept, although that idea looks increasingly shaky as increased media acceptance has produced more gay suicides and other indications of serious psychological problems than the closet ever did. But unless we're to assume that the vast majority of all self-reported homosexuals are fakes, (which would call into question many assumptions about the size and significance of the homosexual population), we must conclude that most youthful homosexuals eventually grow out of their sexual abnormalities.

Which is entirely understandable. Sex aside, how much Erasure can any man be expected to take?

It is readily observable that there is no such thing as a static sexual abnormality. Was Ian Watkins always a pedophile? Was the thrice-married Meredith Baxter Birney always a lesbian? The dynamic sin model explains observable human behavior rather better than most of the scientific alternatives, particularly the static ones. Regardless, whether it is a simple choice or a curable psychological disorder, the idea that homosexuality is always and necessarily a permanently fixed orientation is demonstrably false. Any homosexual who dares to question this, much less dispute it, must be asked why they deny science. And statistics.


UPDATE: This objection on Twitter made me laugh. Critics, it might help to keep in mind you're dealing with a superintelligence before you say something stupid, all right? I'm smarter than you are. Just assume that even if you don't believe it; it may save you some embarrassment. That doesn't mean I'm always right, it just means that you're probably wrong.

Buttercup Dew: "Your logic doesn't follow? I was "bisexual" as a teen, now unambiguously homosexual. You decided conclusion and worked backwards."

To which I responded: "No, my logic is correct. You prove the point. The fact of the delta is what matters, not the direction."

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Blogger Olaf Lee January 07, 2014 7:06 AM  

No desire remains unchanged over a lifetime. So it is not surprising that the desire to eat fruit loops goes away after adolescents.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2014 January 07, 2014 7:10 AM  

the bigger question Vox, is: Are any addictions or appetites subject to neuro-plasticity/ higher volitional drives and choices?

The Politically Correct want to dehumanize by reducing people to automatons - creatures who can only respond.

The biology of life suggests you are a human being with choices, decisions to make and actions to be responsible for.

PC is dehumanizing. In the end: Jesus is Freedom.

Anonymous Jason Roberts January 07, 2014 7:31 AM  

"How much Erasure can any man be expected to take?" C'mon, Vox, give a little respect (no homo).

Anonymous Maximo Macaroni January 07, 2014 7:35 AM  

On first reading Darwin's "Origin of Species" George Eliot remarked that she was repelled by its "determinism". Ever since Darwin, free will has been consigned to a smaller and shadier corner of reality than it deserves. Would a book that has guided men's actions for two thousand years regard redemption from sin as possible if the facts were so clearly on the side of the determinists?

Anonymous dh January 07, 2014 7:46 AM  

This makes sense; there is an observable possibility that men who are nominally straight switch teams later in life; I suspect as their options decline (because they are low value), they perceive a higher sexual value in the gay world than in the straight world.

If you can develop male sexual attraction later in life it makes sense for the opposite as well.

Anonymous VD January 07, 2014 7:50 AM  

I suspect as their options decline (because they are low value), they perceive a higher sexual value in the gay world than in the straight world.

This can be seen even more often with older women.

Anonymous DaveD January 07, 2014 8:06 AM  

I've always wondered about the openly gay guys who will happily discuss the hot chicks in class & what to do with/to them. It just seems odd that you'd leer if you weren't attracted to them.

Blogger IM2L844 January 07, 2014 8:09 AM  

This can be seen even more often with older women.

I've seen this several times with older divorcées. Funny thing is that often, if they're not too broken, when some suitable male comes along, they'll revert back natures ways.

Blogger stareatgoatsies January 07, 2014 8:16 AM  

Vox, how do you reconcile "not really a matter for debate", "eminently obvious", "statistically undeniable", "we can only conclude", "readily observable", "demonstrably false", "must be asked why they hate and deny science" with "Sure, the 'jokester' theory is one possible explanation"?

Also, "the idea that homosexuality is a permanent fixed orientation is demonstrably false." reads like a categorical denial of the existence of people whose first experiences of sexual attraction are same-sex and whose orientation remains the same throughout their lives. Is this your claim?

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2014 January 07, 2014 8:17 AM  

“Do you know what our problem is in this country? He looked at me, a lifetime of wisdom in his eyes.
“It is that we do not teach enough Bible to our children.”

Quote from Ariel Sharon.

Here is a few words about the real leader of the free world's desire not to rain on gay marchers but to restore the basis for all identity politics Without a bible, your identity doesn't exist.

Blogger Crude January 07, 2014 8:18 AM  

This makes sense; there is an observable possibility that men who are nominally straight switch teams later in life; I suspect as their options decline (because they are low value), they perceive a higher sexual value in the gay world than in the straight world.

I've run into multiple self-described gay men who, honestly, still seemed to find women attractive, but good God did they hate women. I wouldn't generalize that to all gay men or even most, but I do end up wondering what's up with those in particular.

OpenID cailcorishev January 07, 2014 8:25 AM  

In high school in the 1980s, we were told that most teenage boys go through a period of "sexual confusion" before turning out straight. It's funny that that notion was probably pressed as part of the general push to normalize homosexual behavior, and yet now it would be treated as a hate-fact.

It seems obvious to me that women are far more malleable in this area than men. I suspect that it takes some serious emotional damage (and possibly some genetic predisposition) for a man to try homosexuality, and it's not something he can experiment with and then shrug off; while a typical woman can dabble with a college roommate or have a threesome with a boyfriend and then forget about it. I wouldn't go quite as far as the PUA who said, "All women are bisexual; some are just stuck." But it's close.

Anonymous VD January 07, 2014 8:26 AM  

"Sure, the 'jokester' theory is one possible explanation"?

Because it is theoretically possible, but it is improbable and would call the political positions of homosexual activists even more seriously into question than the dynamic nature of homosexuality. No one is taking it seriously; no one is reducing the estimated size of the homosexual population as a result.

Is this your claim?

No, I should be more precise. My claim is "the idea that homosexuality is necessarily and always a permanent fixed orientation is demonstrably false."

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2014 January 07, 2014 8:28 AM  

quite liked the staring at goats movie/ haven't read the book or looked at MK Ultra in any detail though. Insane asylums have plenty of space for people who hear all sorts of voices telling them what they are and what they must do - I suggest its easier to take a vote at a meeting to include pathology definitions in the DSM IV than to teach you who Jesus is.

"Coprophiliacs must be born that way - to them its only natural" - just sign it, goat watcher.

Anonymous Different T January 07, 2014 8:33 AM  

Maybe they'll come up with a cure for AIDS and your daughter can marry a twice "cured" male.

What was the point of this post, again?

Blogger IM2L844 January 07, 2014 8:34 AM  

how do you reconcile...with "Sure, the 'jokester' theory is one possible explanation"?

Science says: "Don't confuse possibilities with probabilities."

Anonymous VD January 07, 2014 8:36 AM  

What was the point of this post, again?

To set up the Erasure joke, obviously.

Anonymous Different T January 07, 2014 8:44 AM  

What is Erasure?

Anonymous SixtusVIth January 07, 2014 8:50 AM  

What is Erasure?

Seconding this question.

Blogger Cinco January 07, 2014 8:54 AM  

@Different T and SixtusVlth

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erasure

Anonymous Different T January 07, 2014 8:56 AM  

Ah.

"It is eminently obvious that gays can be cured, and cure themselves, of their same-sex sexual orientations."

"Your logic doesn't follow? I was "bisexual" as a teen, now unambiguously homosexual. You decided conclusion and worked backwards."

And its relation to "Without a bible, your identity doesn't exist."

Touche.

Blogger tz January 07, 2014 8:57 AM  

When puberty hits, anything and everything looks good.

The gay community enters into this natural confusion with conditional support and acceptance - as long as you say you are gay - much like any religious cult. When your mind learns to regain control, it can go away.

Before, we expected youth to control themselves. Today we arrange bacchanales - though there PSAs against serving alcohol.

But if all sex is rape, perhaps we can have a feminist victorianism.

Anonymous ZhukovG January 07, 2014 8:58 AM  

As with other forms of sexual deviance, I would suspect that there are both ‘Fixated’ and ‘Regressed’, Homosexuals.

The Fixated individual is probably neurologically damaged, and incurable by anything save divine intervention. They also would also most likely be a (very vocal) minority of the Homosexual population.

Most Homosexuals are probably Regressed, or Psychological Homosexuals, they can be cured and I would suspect they frequently ‘self cure’ as suggested by the survey results in the original post. The probability of cure is no doubt a function of attitude toward Homosexuality and the length of time one is Homosexually active. This is also what makes Russia’s law against homosexual propaganda such a positive move.

There is hope for the Fixated person as well, but it is a hard road. There is nothing, under God, more powerful than the Human Will. If a Fixated person is willing to commit to behaving as though they are Heterosexual, over time this can become a habit.

Christianity teaches us that we are all Fixated Sinners in a fallen world, but by the Lord’s grace and a commitment to follow the teachings of Christ, we can make not sinning a habit.

Blogger stareatgoatsies January 07, 2014 8:59 AM  

Because it is theoretically possible, but it is improbable...
The article provides two indicators that it's true, at least to some extent, namely that some obvious lies were told and the correlation between subjects who later admitted dishonesty and subjects who claimed homosexuality.

On the activist point, the less-actual-homosexuals theory isn't all bad for them because it reduces the correlation between actually being homosexual and poor physical and mental health.

I wouldn't quibble, at all, with your rephrased claim.

Science says: "Don't confuse possibilities with probabilities."

I think the confusion here was over which exact population "homosexuals" referred to.

Anonymous E. PERLINE January 07, 2014 9:02 AM  

Since unusual sexual preferences are developmental disorders, it stands to reason they could be temporary.

Anonymous VD January 07, 2014 9:09 AM  

What part of "Anonymous comments will be deleted" is difficult to understand? Use Name/URL if you don't wish to type in vain.

Anonymous Luke January 07, 2014 9:11 AM  

And, once again, most of the homosexual problem will be solved for a generation (or more) when any or all of the forseeably reasonably likely come to pass:

1) The various levels of gov't in the U.S. that force the desires of a small, visibly screwed-up minority upon the rest of us legally, culturally, etc. will largely decline in their ability to do so as first they go broke, then get ignored, and lastly collapse/get revolted against successfully. This includes not just the FedGov, but loony liberal states like IL, MA, CA, etc.

2) Watch for HIV to really surge as the virus finishes adapting to resist all the drugs that have been slowing the death among the whiter, wealthier homos. (The broke/black ones, it never really slowed down, I understand, with HALF of new HIV-positives in the U.S. now black, I read somewhere.)

3) Prenatal tests for homo proclivity will eventually come out IMO. They would probably first be followed by abortion (70% of Downs fetuses are terminated in the U.S. when detected in time, right now), then later by in-utero therapy (forseeably hormones and such) for the pregs mom-to-be, etc.

All these would put quite the crimp in the homo ability to have ANY agenda other than hiding and short-term survival. (If Americans ever come to believe that biting insects can even occasionally spread HIV, watch for numerous, informal, illegal homo hunts -- and some homos moving to places so cold there aren't biting insects much of the year.)

Anonymous Lulabelle January 07, 2014 9:11 AM  

"Sex aside, how much Erasure can any man be expected to take? "

Well, I dunno. Maybe that depends on how many blue-umbrella'ed drinks are nearby.

Blogger IM2L844 January 07, 2014 9:25 AM  

There is hope for the Fixated person as well, but it is a hard road.

Homosexuality or any supposed uncontrollable carnal desire as an expression of OCD makes perfect sense.

Anonymous McHaHa January 07, 2014 9:46 AM  

Guy named "Buttercup Dew" is a fag... and an atheist?

What are teh odds he's a meth user and has HIV.

Blogger JartStar January 07, 2014 9:51 AM  

I tend towards the jokester explanation as teens mocking whatever the culture force-feeds them is common.

Blogger Glen Filthie January 07, 2014 9:53 AM  

Well of course homosexuality can be cured. The science behind it was pretty much a given until the liberals overturned it and threw it out in the 70's. (Back then liberals were re-inventing science as well as society).

Most queers could probably be cured with a few hours on the the psychiatrist's couch and some anti-depressants. Others would probably have more pressing mental problems.

Anonymous Riccola January 07, 2014 10:03 AM  

Glen, would you mind expanding on that? I don't doubt you, but I would like to hear the specifics of how it was done.

OpenID cailcorishev January 07, 2014 10:16 AM  

Sex aside, how much Erasure can any man be expected to take?

Yaz was better. But it was easier to enjoy music back when we had no idea just how fabulously gay each singer was.

Anonymous The other skeptic January 07, 2014 10:18 AM  

Don't worry. They will just destroy the records

Anonymous Stirner January 07, 2014 10:19 AM  

The homosexuality of Buttercup Dew is the least of his particularities.

His site "My Nationalist Pony" draws all sorts of parallels between an idealized fascism and the My Little Pony show for kids. I have a daughter, so I have watched the show, and I am rather shocked to report that his interpretations are somewhat in the ballpark, as strange as they are. I can't say I agree, but he's not nuts (which is saying alot).

Regarding homosexuality, we seem to have a very binary line between homo and hetero these days. This seems very culturally based, but not necessarily the final word on how homosexuality is defined and viewed. In ancient greece, the whole man-boy love thing was commonplace, even though all respectable men would marry and have families. Today in Afghanistan, the Pashtun tribesmen commonly bugger boys, to the extent that the US Army had to teach them that sodomy wasn't normal intercourse. They were beating their wives for failing to become pregnant because they were having sex with them in the back door.

There is also the commonplace behavior where men turn to gay sex in prison, and then drop it on a dime when they get out. Not to mention the attitudes in South American countries where it is only the "bottoms" that are regarded as homosexual during man on man sex.

Vox's original point stands though - there is clear evidence that sexual orientation is quite malleable.

Anonymous Josh January 07, 2014 10:39 AM  

Wait wait wait...

he's a gay Nazi atheist brony?

OpenID imnotherzog January 07, 2014 10:45 AM  

Vox,

Just because you were a "Victim of Love" in your past, is no reason to "Hideaway" your feelings for Erasure. "Sometimes" you need to embrace your "Sexuality" to enjoy "The Circus".

Can you tell who listened to way too much electronic pop in their youth...

Anonymous Stirner January 07, 2014 10:46 AM  

Yes he is! Strangely enough, this just showed up on my RSS feed:

http://www.counter-currents.com/2014/01/my-nationalist-pony-an-interview-with-buttercup-dew/

Anonymous Daniel January 07, 2014 10:47 AM  

To set up the Erasure joke, obviously.

Totally worth it. I giggled so hard I may have turned momentarily - and only out of curiosity - cis-amused.

GLAAD can't claim "spectrum" on one hand and "no cure" on the other. But they do. The logic is a tad queer.

Anonymous Josh January 07, 2014 10:48 AM  

People, we have found Peak Lamdamega.

Anonymous Giraffe January 07, 2014 11:01 AM  

As Nate would say, you can't unsuck a dick.

I play ASL. I agree with you politically. I wrote a good post that would have contributed to the discussion. If that's not good enough, I won't write.

That little box, where it says "Comment as:"...... Select "Name/URL" and then type "anonymousse" only i'd use all caps or something to set yourself apart from those who won't pick a name. If that is too hard, you shouldn't write.

Anonymous VD January 07, 2014 11:05 AM  

But I wasn't anonymous. I was anonymousse. I play ASL. I agree with you politically. I wrote a good post that would have contributed to the discussion. If that's not good enough, I won't write.

The point is that you were Anonymous in the header. You can be anonymousse in the Name/URL if you want. I don't care what you play. I don't care if you agree with me. I don't care what you wrote. The rules are perfectly clear, they are there for a very good reason, and if they are ignored I will do exactly what I say I will do.

As most commenters here know, it is very hard to keep track of the comments if there are multiple Anonymous headers. Hence this warning which appears in every comment posting box: "NO ANONYMOUS COMMENTS. Anonymous comments will be deleted."

Anonymous Aeoli Pera January 07, 2014 11:09 AM  

He's a pagan, gay, brony fascist. He's not an atheist. I don't watch "My Little Pony", but I have little doubt he's on the right track.

We're fellow nutters over at Koanic's site.

Blogger IM2L844 January 07, 2014 11:22 AM  

why is homosexuality always the focus of so many Christians?

Because the homosexuals won't shut up. The are constantly disparaging Christians as homophobes just because Christians refuse to honor and celebrate the homosexual's choice method of satisfying their recreational carnal desires. If you paid attention you would understand that many Christian are also against usury, but the bankers aren't constantly on parade demeaning Christians.

Anonymous Josh January 07, 2014 11:24 AM  

why is homosexuality always the focus of so many Christians?

Because they're the only group of sinners loudly declaring that their sin isn't sin at all and demanding that the Church deny what the Bible says. And they're infiltrating the Church to destroy it.

You don't see debtors doing that.

Blogger Markku January 07, 2014 11:25 AM  

OT, but I was just listening to Stand to Reason, and Greg talking about how to disarm certain popular rhetorical ploys if you know they're coming. We should totally brainstorm on this.

A good one I've heard elsewhere that comes to mind is this:

Atheist: *snark* so, you believe in a talking snake *snark*
Response: Yeah, and I also believe in a talking jackass.

(Obviously you're talking about Bileam, right...?)

Anonymous ZhukovG January 07, 2014 11:34 AM  

@GG

I understand your point, I guess part of it is the natural revulsion that healthy Heterosexuals will naturally feel for sexual deviants.

From a Christian stand point, Homosexual behavior is no more or less sinful than any other form of fornication. However, there are no ‘Heterosexual Fornication Pride’ parades that I am aware of. By adding the sin of pride, they take their sin to the next level, if you will, making it a deliberate, forceful rejection of Christ’s grace. This, like some cult, draws the individual deeper into their sin, making it less likely that they will repent.

From a cultural standpoint, Homosexuality is a weapon being used to attack the traditional foundations of our civilization. The current corrupt financial industry is, unwittingly, likely as not to trigger a revival of Christian Civilization by causing more and more people to reject Secular Materialism and the American Empire.

Anonymous Heh January 07, 2014 11:36 AM  

there are no ‘Heterosexual Fornication Pride’ parades that I am aware of.

Girls Gone Wild videos don't count?

Anonymous Stocky January 07, 2014 11:37 AM  

GLAAD can't claim "spectrum" on one hand and "no cure" on the other.
 
Sure they can, because I’m sure they don’t claim that homosexuality is a disease in the first place and thus using the term “cure” is nonsensical.   
 
You can “cure” me of having a preference for swiss cheese on my burgers through various stimulus I’m sure, but why would you bother?  If I had to guess, I would think that’s closer to their position than what you said.
 

Anonymous Heh January 07, 2014 11:37 AM  

they're the only group of sinners loudly declaring that their sin isn't sin at all and demanding that the Church deny what the Bible says. And they're infiltrating the Church to destroy it.

You don't see debtors doing that.


But you do see thieves (i.e., socialists) doing that.

OpenID everybodyhatesscott January 07, 2014 11:44 AM  

@Luke
I understand, with HALF of new HIV-positives in the U.S. now black, I read somewhere.)

CDC (if you trust them) has 44.5% (18,600 of 41,730) of new infections being black (2010 data) with 56.9% of those msm.

Anonymous patrick kelly January 07, 2014 11:48 AM  

Preference != Identity, whether sexual or whiskey you drink.

FYI:

EasternOrthodoxReflectionsOnSameSexAttraction

Blogger WATYF January 07, 2014 11:54 AM  

VD: Because it is theoretically possible, but it is improbable...

Is it really "improbable"? Doesn't the following excerpt make it more probable than any of the other assumptions, seeing how it's the only one we have any data in support of...?

"Earlier research on the Add Health survey found some signs of dishonesty, the study noted. For instance, hundreds of teens said they had an artificial hand, arm, leg or foot, yet few reported the same thing when interviewed at home. The new study found “inconsistent” boys and girls were more delinquent and more likely to say they weren’t honest when they filled out the survey."

WATYF

Anonymous McHaHa January 07, 2014 12:03 PM  

WHat's amazing is how many guys in prison are into dudes. .. but the minute they hit the streets, they are cured. It's a miracle!

Anonymous McHaHa January 07, 2014 12:04 PM  

I've notced a few of our (louder-mouthed) Roman Catholic friends here have been quiet lately. Maybe it's because we have the first "Gay Pope"? Just asking questions...

Anonymous patrick kelly January 07, 2014 12:09 PM  

I remember taking similar anonymous surveys as a freshman in HS. There were a bunch of us yucking it up by claiming all kinds of sexual and other activity that only occurred in our dreams...or nightmares.....

Also, there is the "oh yeah, well I'm also gay, what are you going to do about it??!" teenage retorts to heated arguments with parents for shock value......endured it with a kid of my own....... definitely not gay unless there are a bunch of very hot lil' young 20-something transgendered she-males in their circle of friends now........most of them I've known since they were much younger very much females, so I can reasonably rule that out.....

Blogger JartStar January 07, 2014 12:10 PM  

I've notced a few of our (louder-mouthed) Roman Catholic friends here have been quiet lately. Maybe it's because we have the first "Gay Pope"? Just asking questions...

Who knows, but he seems to be on the way to legitimizing "gay unions" by adopting the vocabulary. He's not stupid, he's picking these words deliberately.

Pope calls for new approach to kids of gay, divorced parents - World News

Anonymous ZhukovG January 07, 2014 12:18 PM  

@McHaHa

I am Roman Catholic, and to paraphrase John Paul II, All those (Protestant, Orthodox and Catholic) Justified by Faith, are incorporated into Christ and I greet them all as brothers and sisters in the Lord.

I guess I missed where the current Pope declared himself an active Homosexual and declared that sex between two men was just fine with the Church.

Anonymous ZhukovG January 07, 2014 12:26 PM  

@GG

I sadly must agree. I consider it a proof both of the existence of God and the truth of Christianity, that after 2000 years it continues to thrive despite the best efforts of some of its adherents.

Anonymous GreyS January 07, 2014 12:34 PM  

"3) Prenatal tests for homo proclivity will eventually come out IMO. They would probably first be followed by abortion (70% of Downs fetuses are terminated in the U.S. when detected in time, right now), then later by in-utero therapy (forseeably hormones and such) for the pregs mom-to-be, etc. "

Agree. Despite all the outward PC stuff about accepting homosexuals, the vast majority of parents are aghast at the possibility their child might be gay. Once "Science" is able to determine this future for the child, most parents will abort. Heck, we kill our babies for almost no reason as it is-- why would anyone expect those same type of parents to not do so in the case of likely gayness?

And so far it seems likely that it will be proved that homosexuality can be avoided by fiddling with various biological factors during the first stages of life. Once we are able to do this, approximately zero parents will choose to have gay children. Homosexuality is an affliction. Almost no parent will not choose to eliminate that affliction for their child if possible.

Homosexuals only make up about 2% of the population now. With abortion and biological tinkering on the horizon, homosexuality will be almost nonexistent in countries with the medical means.

Anonymous Red January 07, 2014 12:38 PM  

John Maynard Keynes has always been a good example this. Raging homo until his 40s and then got married and dropped his male lovers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Maynard_Keynes#Relationships

Anonymous Earl January 07, 2014 12:53 PM  

Did Saul harm Christianity by killing Christians? Did Peter harm Christianity by denying Christ 3 times? Did the David harm Christianity by fornicating and murdering? Did Thomas harm Christianity by doubting?

Anonymous Earl January 07, 2014 1:01 PM  

GG, I use a matrix to determine how I will treat a gay person. Some responses would appear to be an "inordinate concern" (I can't find the language you used because your original comment has vanished) because you are seeing the most public response to the most public challenge. What you do not see are my private responses to those who quietly inform me that they are having funny thoughts, etc.You do not see how I responed to my friends and family who are gay. You do not see how I respond to the people who do not fit the stereotype of a lisping parading atheist homo activist.

Anonymous McHaHa January 07, 2014 1:02 PM  

Tad is now reduced to concern-trolling....

Anonymous VD January 07, 2014 1:03 PM  

However, these days I see Christians more interested in proclaiming their own self righteousness than in leading anybody to Christ. In fact, I often see more Christ-like behavior in some of the atheists than the Christians I encounter. I'll go so far as to say the behavior of many Christians has done more harm to Christianity then the entire gay pride movement.

Adios, trollio. You've tried that line before. Go away now.

Blogger Markku January 07, 2014 1:04 PM  

As for me, I call Yttik on GG.

Anonymous McHaHa January 07, 2014 1:04 PM  

Atheist: *snark* so, you believe in a talking snake *snark*

ME: At least I don't suck cock....

Anonymous VD January 07, 2014 1:04 PM  

Actually, GG is yttik, not Tad. Either way, she's history.

Anonymous Sigyn January 07, 2014 1:04 PM  

there are no ‘Heterosexual Fornication Pride’ parades that I am aware of.

Well, it depends. Heterosexual fornication is pretty much the expected standard, so there's nothing to be aggressively "proud" of--unless, of course, you're bragging about your "tight Game" or your favorite hobby is slut-walking.

Anonymous TWS January 07, 2014 1:10 PM  

Zhukov -
Since 1870 the Pope has had the power and thus responsibility to make pronouncements regarding the faith and belief of Christians (according to Vatican I). Saying ''who am I to judge', regarding openly gay clergy is abrogating that responsibilty.

He has the power and ability to say. Sorry boys you band together based on your sin. You work against Christian
and Catholic teachings, you use your influence as homosexuals to undermine the Church. For that reason you will cease any and all association as homosexuals. And until you can prove otherwise you will cease to teach or associate with children (given homos proven problems in those areas).

He could have said, 'anyone who identifies himself proudly by his sin is not fit to serve mass or a congregation.

Anonymous Daniel January 07, 2014 1:12 PM  

If I had to guess, I would think that’s closer to their position than what you said.

Or maybe you could just find their actual position on conversion therapy instead of guessing...that the only position is that there is no changing homosexuals (for conversion) because homosexuality is innate...and that innate homosexuality is a diverse and ever changing spectrum.

So...a straight is a square until she explores the spectrum later in life...and you can go from homo to bi or bi to homo or change genders or gender identity during your lifetime. You can do this intentionally: with the help of a therapist, the support of friends, or just jump into the bathouse scene blind. You can change your sexuality however you like...except to go straight.

Because that's unscientific.

Jeff Dahmer preferred the taste of human flesh to swiss cheese. He worked to change that preference later in life, with some help.

Just because something is a preference doesn't mean it is silly to attempt to cure it.

Anonymous Sigyn January 07, 2014 1:13 PM  

Atheist: *snark* so, you believe in a talking snake *snark*

Me: And you believe in talking mutant amoeba colonies that inexplicably spend hours a day watching videos of cats.

Anonymous patrick kelly January 07, 2014 1:15 PM  

"Did Saul harm Christianity by killing Christians? Did Peter harm Christianity by denying Christ 3 times? Did the David harm Christianity by fornicating and murdering? Did Thomas harm Christianity by doubting?"

No, they also didn't continue in these sins proudly proclaiming them on a parade float either...

Blogger Markku January 07, 2014 1:19 PM  

Note: I didn't mean just that one line. I think the jackass response is perfect, because it completely takes the wind out of the attack. Remember, the atheist hasn't actually made any argument yet. His entire game is to make you jump up and down, and then point out or imply (mostly to the audience) that he was just asking. But now he finds out that the rhetorical ball is back in his field and he has to either explicitly formulate an argument, or surrender the attack.

What I'm saying, there should be a similar stock response to all the other popular rhetorical ploys too. And it must not be a try-hard one. It must roll out of the tongue.

Anonymous Sigyn January 07, 2014 1:20 PM  

No, they also didn't continue in these sins proudly proclaiming them on a parade float either...

Or teach other people that not only does God not mind, He really wants you to.

Anonymous Sigyn January 07, 2014 1:23 PM  

It must roll out of the tongue.

Be good if it rolled off the tongue, too.

*shifty eyes*

Anonymous Concerned Rabbit Hunter January 07, 2014 1:26 PM  

I predict that those researchers will be called Nazis real soon now.

Anonymous McHaHa January 07, 2014 1:35 PM  

Can Jews be cured?

Blogger Lud VanB January 07, 2014 1:38 PM  

Can belief in the supernatural be cured?

Anonymous Daniel January 07, 2014 1:49 PM  

Can belief in the supernatural be cured?

Of course. What do you think law school is for?

Blogger wrf3 January 07, 2014 1:52 PM  

Lud VanB asked: Can belief in the supernatural be cured?

The Psychopath Inside is an account of a neuroscientist who discovers that a scan of his brain shows that he has the brain of a psychopath.

On page 126 he writes:

My lack of emotional empathy and my abandonment of God, the soul, and belief in free will may all be connected.

Be careful what you ask for. God-belief is a survival characteristic from millions of years of evolution.

Anonymous Stephen J. January 07, 2014 1:56 PM  

On a purely technical note, I might suggest that your headline would more accurately read "Scientific evidence that orientation changes". Not because I have any objection to the "cure" terminology in itself, but because the existence of the delta of change does not in itself demonstrate that consciously directing a shift on a selected vector across that delta is either practical or feasible. That some people grow out of one's sexual preferences in thirty years (and how many, as a statistical proportion?) is very different from claiming people can be forced out of those preferences in thirty days, as all too many quack reparation therapists have tried to do. (I do not say some possible form of reparation therapy might not conceivably accelerate this process; I do say I have seen no evidence so far that anyone has actually yet constructed such a therapy and made it work.)

Blogger Doom January 07, 2014 1:58 PM  

Ah, the ol' yeabut gag. I love it every time. Here, have some more rope. Grobal warbling next, or shall we hit equality of men, or even dig into equality of men and women and races? I love these people. They do most of the work. Sadly, they usually don't get it even when... everybody else does.

Check and... mate. But, this pawn goes... You don't get it, you lost this game. But what if... You lost. Ah, I see your point, but if I just move this pawn... And they call me delusional. Part of why that can't sting though. *le sighe*

Anonymous Sigyn January 07, 2014 2:01 PM  

Can belief in the supernatural be cured?

Yes. Like curing morality, masculinity, and logic, you do it by loading up their food with fake estrogen (ideally phytoestrogens) and exposing them to endless repetitions of liberal catchphrases.

Of course, the downside is that the "cured" tends to believe he is or will someday be God, but omelets and eggs and stuff.

Blogger Markku January 07, 2014 2:03 PM  

I'm going to say no. It can be suppressed. But point out to a homosexual that he is going to hell, and you will see in the reaction that it's still there.

Blogger wrf3 January 07, 2014 2:10 PM  

Markku wrote: I'm going to say no. It can be suppressed. But point out to a homosexual that he is going to hell, and you will see in the reaction that it's still there.

Maybe. Or maybe it's a knee-jerk rabbit reaction to the thought of being disassociated from the herd.

Anonymous GreyS January 07, 2014 2:16 PM  

"Can belief in the supernatural be cured?"

It's pretty clear that belief in the supernatural is completely and utterly normal in humans. What is rare is non-belief. Interestingly, atheism is at about the same rate as homosexuality- about 2% of the population.

Any question along these lines should instead read: "Can non-belief in the supernatural be cured?"

Anonymous ZhukovG January 07, 2014 2:23 PM  

This is what the Pope said.

"A gay person who is seeking God, who is of good will -- well, who am I to judge him?"

This was stated in contrast to an alleged ‘Gay Lobby’, within the Vatican, which I strongly suspect does in fact exist, and which the Pope said would be a problem.

So I wonder:

If a person, whom you know to have been a rather outspoken active homosexual, comes forward at your protestant invitation and says I want to be a Christian, do you turn him away? Or, as the father who welcomed home the prodigal son, do you admit him into your fellowship with gladness, trusting the Lord’s grace and prepared to help them in their walk with Christ?

Now going forward in time, for years this same person has been a member of your Christian community, and has given you no reason to doubt the sincerity of his Christian walk, but he has never married or shown any inclination to date a single female. He comes before the congregation and says that he feels he is being called into full time ministry. Do you reject his calling as invalid? Or, do you trust in the Lord’s grace and support him with both council and prayers.

It is given to us to judge a man’s works, it is not given to us to judge a man’s soul.

Anonymous Brendan Gilmartin January 07, 2014 2:46 PM  

If sexuality is fully malleable then can women be conditioned through therapy to find weak and unassertive men as sexually attractive as confident and dominant males?

Humor aside, two points.

1. Whether sexual orientation has a *hard* biological basis, [like intelligence or time preference] seems to me to be a fairly testable hypothesis. For one you could start by figuring out what brain chemistry or brain morphology differences relate to feelings of sexual attraction, then see if there are any differences between self identified gays and straights. You can also see if homosexuality occurs in other mammals.

2. Serious research into the above, and also whether or not sexuality can be changed through medical means, before or after birth, likely won't take place in the west. Because it's nature and cause has pathological importance to two groups, the egalitarian left and the Christians.

Anonymous sawtooth January 07, 2014 2:54 PM  

Just for what it's worth:
I've come to a tentative conclusion that sexual orientation is probably quite malleable up to, and possibly shortly after puberty.
Then, at some point, sexual orientation, along with the various fetishes, and even the particular things that we find sexually attractive or off-putting about others (i.e. hair style, body build, personality) become sort of "locked in".

I think that for some the lock can be more easily unlocked then for others as far as deliberately changing the sexual preferences.
Some homosexuals probably could change their preferences and go straight more quickly and easily then others. Some Christian gays, I'm afraid might have to accept celibacy as a calling from God rather then marry an unfortunate person for whom they have no sexual attraction too whats-so-ever.

At this point, I'd like to describe a certain lesbian for whom I work with. This chick is as butch as they come. Buzz cut hair, dudes low riding jeans, she even smokes cigars! She gets shocked looks when she walks into the ladies restroom.

I just imagine that that some kind of sexual re-orientation therapy would be a long, slow, arduous process and the results would be negligible.

But then, with God all things are possible.
Just my little two cents worth.

Anonymous Noah B. January 07, 2014 2:56 PM  

"Because it is theoretically possible, but it is improbable and would call the political positions of homosexual activists even more seriously into question than the dynamic nature of homosexuality. No one is taking it seriously; no one is reducing the estimated size of the homosexual population as a result."

I don't remember ever taking any kind of survey on sexual orientation, but in school they used to give us surveys asking how often we used drugs, what kind of drugs, etc. I would reliably answer that I used almost every type of drug known to man, very frequently, but not so much that it seemed impossible. I don't remember asking anyone else about it, but I just assumed all my friends were doing the same thing.

Did no one else here have the same experience?

Anonymous TWS January 07, 2014 3:08 PM  

Zhukov - Two seperate issues. First, he would be welcome to join worship service. Anything else, no.

Would I as an elder recommend him in a pastoral role? Depends. Depends on his character and complete and utter rejection of his identification with his sin nature.

But coming to Church? Sure, Jesus is here for all of us and died for all of us. I am not Jesus and need to be cautious not to lead people astray or allow others to do the same to my flock.

OpenID timwb January 07, 2014 3:09 PM  

Noah B.: Hell yes! My friends and I screwed up every survey passed out to us, in order to "stick it to the man" or to entertain ourselves.
Isn't this whole discussion based on there being only one motivator for sexual orientation? For sex itself? I've known men and women who chose homosexuality, but I've also known people who were gay from their earliest experiences "knew" their orientation and have no reason to hide it.

Anonymous BLOX January 07, 2014 3:15 PM  

Now if we can only get people to stop believing in mythical bipolar sky deities we might start getting somewhere.

Blogger Crude January 07, 2014 3:31 PM  

I've notced a few of our (louder-mouthed) Roman Catholic friends here have been quiet lately. Maybe it's because we have the first "Gay Pope"? Just asking questions...

Why this 'just asking questions'? Man up, bait explicitly.

The Pope is trying to revamp the approach of the Catholic Church to homosexuals, and it's in need of revamping. Note: the approach is. Not the teachings. Not the dogma.

The fact is, as of right now, I regularly run into people who think 'being homosexual' is itself a damning sin. As in, 'X has same sex attraction? X is going to hell, even if they're celibate, because they're gay and the bible says that's horrible.' Usually it's the slower non-Christians, but this view is out there, and it illustrates part of the problem.

That doesn't mean the next step is or should be any kind of sanctifying of same-sex sexual behavior, or sodomy in general. But there are better ways to approach the topic, and the Pope's trying to find those ways.

Anonymous Stocky January 07, 2014 3:39 PM  

Daniel; best I could find is that GLAAD (and the AMA and APA) think reparative therapy is harmful, I don’t see where they explicitly say that it doesn’t necessarily accomplish its stated goals in certain cases (i.e. “work”). For example, I’m sure it’s possible to be cured of a love of Swiss Cheese, but at what cost? And for why?

Again, you think it’s a disease, so when you say cure, you think that word is appropriate in that context. They don’t think it’s a disease, so that word is nonsensical.

Also, as I’m sure you must have realized (I hope) when you were typing your last sentence out, that even though you are correct, it is also VERY silly to try to cure some preferences.

Anonymous GreyS January 07, 2014 3:47 PM  

"Did no one else here have the same experience?"

I vaguely remember questionnaires (we never had sex ones) where I goofed off in the answers as a matter of course. I doubt I would have done so regarding same-sex attraction though. It seems to me that even after all the indoctrination kids are subjected to nowadays, boys are pretty adamant about separating themselves from gayboys, and most wouldn't joke that they were. For a while there, though, many girls thought it was cool to play-act as if attracted to other females-- a clear response to all the indoctrination.

In the end, the social scientists contention that these were fakers/jokesters is NOT based on science or the findings themselves-- they are merely going by personal opinion to change perception of facts which didn't fit the way they envisioned. Here's guessing that these researchers have a history of homosexual promotion dressed up as "science".

Blogger Crude January 07, 2014 3:47 PM  

For example, I’m sure it’s possible to be cured of a love of Swiss Cheese, but at what cost? And for why?

If you lose sexual interest with women in favor of making additional holes in your swiss cheese, you know what? I'm not going to hold it against you if you look for a cure.

Anonymous Apollo January 07, 2014 3:52 PM  

Buttercup Dew: "Your logic doesn't follow? I was "bisexual" as a teen, now unambiguously homosexual. You decided conclusion and worked backwards."

To which I responded: "No, my logic is correct. You prove the point. The fact of the delta is what matters, not the direction."


Thats just priceless. Betting she(?) didnt understand your response though Vox.

Anonymous Noah B. January 07, 2014 3:59 PM  

It seems to me that even after all the indoctrination kids are subjected to nowadays, boys are pretty adamant about separating themselves from gayboys, and most wouldn't joke that they were.

Joking about drug use and homosexuality are pretty different. The joke was always that someone else was gay, not that you yourself were gay. Still, joking about being gay may appeal to someone with a more self-deprecating sense of humor, or someone who has fallen victim to the propaganda.

Anonymous Noah B. January 07, 2014 4:00 PM  

Here's guessing that these researchers have a history of homosexual promotion dressed up as "science".

Definitely a safe bet.

OpenID luagha January 07, 2014 4:03 PM  

Speaking as a gay man married to another man who is against gay marriage, I would sadly have to surmise that I'm amongst the Fixated. I have certain memories from around age three which clearly point to my current orientations. I have an elder brother who isn't gay and our family situation was pretty similar between us in terms of the relationships between our parents and the like.

There's been some interesting research pointing out that the incidence of perceived homosexuality increases for each male child a mother has; that is to say, first male child had a 3% rate, second male child born after the first male child to the same mother had a 4% rate, third 5% and fourth 6%. The theory was that it was not simply genetic but that the prenatal environment of the mother changes in some way after a male birth but not a female birth. Clearly, more research is needed, but I'm a second male child and my husband is a third male child.

Of course, that study now has to be questioned with respect to lying on the questionnaires for yuks, but I don't think it was done with teenagers.

Anonymous GreyS January 07, 2014 4:13 PM  

"Joking about drug use and homosexuality are pretty different. The joke was always that someone else was gay, not that you yourself were gay. Still, joking about being gay may appeal to someone with a more self-deprecating sense of humor, or someone who has fallen victim to the propaganda."

For the overwhelming majority of kids, social position in school is just too touchy a thing to mess with. It's hard to imagine many boys in any school who would risk being unjustly labeled as gay. A boy would have to battle that perception the rest of his school career, if not the rest of his life. He'd lose friends left and right, and he'd find it hard to attract girls.

Blogger Crude January 07, 2014 4:15 PM  

Speaking as a gay man married to another man who is against gay marriage, I would sadly have to surmise that I'm amongst the Fixated.

Wait, what?

I mean I've heard of gays who are against gay marriage (particularly in France), but 'I'm a gay man married to a man who is against gay marriage' has to involve a typo or maybe he's trying to tell you something.

OpenID luagha January 07, 2014 4:21 PM  

You have found the gag. :) I live in California. We voted 58% against gay marriage. Judge Walker delivered his biased piece of jackwagon and then various other legal shenanigans overturned the clear will of the people.

Due to Obamacare (for which neither I nor my husband voted) his insurance is doubling in price and he's getting far less for it. It's sufficiently cheaper to put him on my insurance that it makes a difference in lifestyle and survivability if he runs into a problem, which he is at the moment. But he can only be on my insurance if we're married, so married we are.

It is the nature of socialism to gradually degrade the morals. To force one to make choices in order to survive. At first, the choices are light and easy.

Blogger Crude January 07, 2014 4:39 PM  

You have found the gag. :)

Pardon my being exceptionally slow. So you're a gay couple that was against gay marriage? I ask because I know that some gay groups were marching against it in France, so it's not unheard of. I always wanted to see a poll of how many gays were in favor of gay marriage - I mean you'd think it'd be 99%, but I think even something as low as 70% would be an interesting find.

OpenID luagha January 07, 2014 4:51 PM  

That's correct. The closest I can quickly find is a poll of gays and lesbians stating '15% stated they do not wish to marry.' That's not quite 'against gay marriage for all' though, but the poll included an 'are you ambivalent' statement for those who don't want to marry but are okay with other gays marrying, and this 15% was not in that group.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/06/27/same-sex-marriage-research/2465023/



Blogger Crude January 07, 2014 5:00 PM  

Alright, luagha. Thank you for the information. The closest data available I guess.

Anonymous gay eric January 07, 2014 5:27 PM  

why can't you just celebrate us gays? all we ask is for a parade, 4-6 gay holidays, and a mandatory wedding gift when we wed our life partners. that is all. why can't you wingnuts just celebrate us IS THIS TOO MUCH TO ASK

Anonymous Daniel January 07, 2014 5:36 PM  

Also, as I’m sure you must have realized (I hope) when you were typing your last sentence out, that even though you are correct, it is also VERY silly to try to cure some preferences.

Irrelevant. It is no more silly to encourage a man to stop perverting himself than it is to encourage him to stop preferring the taste of human brains. And your inability to find GLAAD's contradictory positions that gayness is transitory and that gayness should only ever be encouraged to transist in one direction, and that it is magically harmful to transfer it to other points on the spectrum is not my problem.

But keep guessing in ignorance what GLADD says if you really want to. That's not the point.

The point is that gayness is obviously curable - one can move to homosexuality or away from it as one so desires, however one desires to do it. GLADD admits as much: only that it is "harmful" to support a brave transition to straightness, but that it is moral and good to support a brave transition to gayness.

If GLAAD cared about people at even the most basic level, they'd be providing social supports for all sexually confused people to get their identity together...even if that meant going straight.

They don't. In fact, they fight, tooth and nail, in public, at every juncture, any efforts to assist current spectrum-set gays to express their sexuality as they see fit. They call it pseudoscience and fraud, abusive and demeaning...all while lording over the proper conduct of gays, bisexuals and the transgendered to the most vulnerable and prone to suicide members of our society.

GLAAD is a concentration camp of spectrum-denial. They abhor the liberty of gay men everywhere, and deny those who desire to improve their lives any comfort or access to existing resources. It's a roach motel: you can check in, but you can't check out.

OpenID cailcorishev January 07, 2014 5:56 PM  

I'm sure that many straight men wish straight marriage weren't legal, when a girlfriend starts pushing to set a date. So it wouldn't be surprising if some homosexuals wanted it to stay illegal for the same reason -- so a sex partner won't insist on putting a ring on it.

Whether they'd answer that way to a pollster who's clearly asking for political reasons, though, would be another story.

GLAAD is no different from the pro-abortion types who claim to be pro-choice but will spend all their political capital to prevent an abortionist from being required to offer a pregnant woman a look at the ultrasound. Some choices aren't to be allowed.

Anonymous Ferd January 07, 2014 6:34 PM  



So, the seventh son of a seventh son is,,,,,,,,hmm,,,,,,,Barney Frank? With the mannerisms and lisp? However, Barney is a bit challenged in the grooming aspect of homosexuality. Perhaps, he was a sixth son.

Anonymous McHaHa January 07, 2014 6:40 PM  

oh crap, I said bad things about teh gays here.

dh, will my employer fire me ... and after I'm shitcanned... can you tell me why it's a GOOD thing

Anonymous Daniel January 07, 2014 6:52 PM  

Related: McRapey admits to appearing
22%-70% gay.

Bonus: he strategically ups his "reader" count to 55,437.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch January 07, 2014 7:02 PM  

Homosexuals who claim to want to change to heterosexual often feel that the effort is futile. These quitters are now being referred to as the "new homophiles."

They feel that since they just can't shrug the habit of fantasizing sodomy with their own sex, they'll just have to accept those fantasies, bake rainbow cookies, and celebrate their disorder.

http://www.crisismagazine.com/2014/the-new-homophiles-a-closer-look#.UsaU22nsSsI.facebook


It's sad, really. Quitting gay is possible. It may take two days, it may take two decades. It is a matter of disciplining and training the mind itself.

Anonymous Truth January 07, 2014 7:06 PM  

Vox writes a stupid, ignorant, and fact-free post and then follows it up with, "I'm super-intelligent". Yeah,right. Vox's rant is about his religion, not fact, and not importance. People being gay affects me.... not at all. I'm straight and I don't feel the need to affect them either. This is hate speech thinly veiled with pseudoscience. Vox is a master of this technique. But super-intelligent? Obviously not.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch January 07, 2014 7:27 PM  

The poster named "Truth" is stupid, ignorant, and fact-free. He rants about religion, not facts or importance. He is using hate speech thinly veiled with pseudoscience, and he is a master of this technique. He's obviously not super-intelligent.

Anonymous Nonymouse January 07, 2014 8:05 PM  

Daniel; are you just made because GLAAD doesn't offer you social support, for... Well you know

Anonymous McHaha January 07, 2014 8:20 PM  

bets the new troll is Fag Tad?

will Vox publish Tad's IP address so we can get this sad fuckk fired already?

Blogger Laramie Hirsch January 07, 2014 10:23 PM  

McHaha said:

"will Vox publish Tad's IP address so we can get this sad fuckk fired already?"

I would discourage people on the internet--and especially here--to not push for ruining people's livelihood.

Anonymous Scintan January 07, 2014 11:13 PM  

Vox writes a stupid, ignorant, and fact-free post and then follows it up with, "I'm super-intelligent". Yeah,right. Vox's rant is about his religion, not fact, and not importance. People being gay affects me.... not at all. I'm straight and I don't feel the need to affect them either. This is hate speech thinly veiled with pseudoscience. Vox is a master of this technique. But super-intelligent? Obviously not.

Nobody, including your boyfriend, believes that you're not gay. Also, everybody, including your boyfriend, believes that you're too stupid to understand what is truly hate speech and what it not.

Anonymous Scintan January 07, 2014 11:14 PM  

A typo on the second use of "is" in the last sentence had it print as "it". My apologies.

Anonymous Truth January 07, 2014 11:17 PM  

"bets the new troll is F** Tad?"

Not even a TAD bit of TRUTH to that statement, stupid homophobe.

Anonymous Toby Temple January 08, 2014 3:14 AM  

Shut up, fag!

Anonymous dh January 08, 2014 6:46 AM  

dh, will my employer fire me ... and after I'm shitcanned... can you tell me why it's a GOOD thing

You work for an employer who will not tolerate dissing gays. That's a real shame. But, how many of your co-workers agree with you?

How long do you think that policy would last if they had 100% enforcement?

How hard would be to find a new job if an employer who shared the same opinion of gays as you did hadn't of hired a bunch of Glee watching, GLAAD supporting, effete gay supporting liberals ahead of you?

Blogger IM2L844 January 08, 2014 9:32 AM  

I get tired of people talking about homosexuality as if it is some kind of grand philosophical paradigm worthy of serious contemplation by all. Let's be clear. It's about recreational sex and that's all. Same with abortion and birth control. When did recreational sex of any stripe get elevated to such a august level of requisite essentialness? It's just sex! We control what we think about. We can choose not to entertain obsessing over desires. When we allow our carnality, of any flavor, to become a priority that necessitates justifications, we're lost and that, I think, is God's point.

We have a right to pursue happiness not gratuitous pleasures. People tend to errantly conflate the two.

Blogger buzzardist January 08, 2014 1:47 PM  

Buttercup Dew should have stopped trying to make arguments of any sort on Twitter as soon as the adopted the handle, "Buttercup Dew."

Blogger Me Guerrero January 15, 2014 2:04 PM  

Listen, no better testimony than the one of a Bisexual man, ME, no ,i went to a Pentecostal church many time and NO, i was cured at all, I HAD WET DREAMS WITH MEN from time to time when i was a true 100% sincere believer, i was scared to death when i woke up to make god upset, but it wasn't on purpose , not consicious, and that was many months ago after being converted, and by the way i was more like a CELIBATE rather than a Heterosexual in my period of believer, for some reason i didn't try hard to have a girlfriend at that time, (i am a Bisexual who prefers men a lot more than women)

Blogger Yvonne August 18, 2014 2:01 PM  

I was led to this blog from another link, wondering if it was the same Vox I briefly used to read, until I became completely disgusted with him and his views. Sorry I even read as much as I did, especially of the comments. Also, I'm so happy that Vox is so much smarter than everyone else. It seems to avail him nothing.

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