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Sunday, June 29, 2014

Holland v Mexico

I'm really looking forward to this one, which is the most interesting matchup of the first round of the Knockout Stage. Holland should win, but Mexico is playing very hard for Herrara and the Mexican keeper was easily the best in the Group Stage. A very good test for the Oranje if they are to flatter themselves with the idea that they are serious contenders for the title.

Costa Rica v Greece should actually be worth watching. Greece is, as always, an old, untalented, defensive-minded team, but they have a crazy ability to give much better teams a difficult time. Costa Rica was the shock winners of a group that literally no one gave them a chance to win, so one has to consider them the favorite here.

HOLLAND 2 MEXICO 1: Ugh. Great game and down to the wire, but even so, ugh. I was supporting Holland, but seeing Robben dive three times in the box, and on the third one draw the penalty that won the game, was truly ugly. Ochoa was awesome, but there was no stopping the cannon blast from Wesley Schneider that tied the game in the 88th minute.

FIFA is really going to have to give serious thought to replay on penalties.

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Anonymous MK June 29, 2014 12:51 PM  

The game is in Fortaleza, at 32 centigrades.
This makes the match even more equilibrated.

Anonymous Difster June 29, 2014 1:00 PM  

0-0 at the break. If Holland is going to win, they're not having an easy time of it.

Anonymous zen0 June 29, 2014 1:07 PM  

The game is in Fortaleza, at 32 centigrades.

Announcers claimed it was 38.8. First ever cooling break.

Getting ready for Qatar.

Blogger AdognamedOp June 29, 2014 1:09 PM  

Wow, what a shot.

Anonymous Tom S June 29, 2014 1:09 PM  

Mexico up 1-0. Nice shot by Dos Santos...

Anonymous Difster June 29, 2014 1:11 PM  

GOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLL - Mehico.

Anonymous zen0 June 29, 2014 1:16 PM  

Lets see if Mehico can remain disciplined.

Anonymous MK June 29, 2014 1:23 PM  

Ochoa (Mexican goalkeeper) is very lucky, besides being very good.

Anonymous wEz June 29, 2014 1:28 PM  

Robben is such a beast. That should have been a penalty shot before the break. Best player on the field today so far.

Anonymous VD June 29, 2014 1:38 PM  

That should have been a penalty shot before the break.

No, it should have been a yellow card. For Robben. He dove twice.

Anonymous Tom S June 29, 2014 1:48 PM  

Tie game

Anonymous Tom S June 29, 2014 1:52 PM  

And a terrible time for Mexico to take a penalty

Anonymous wEz June 29, 2014 1:53 PM  

Nonsense. He got drilled before the break on the cut back by the cb. I thought the replay was very conclusive.
He did flop early in the second half though.....lol and right there too!!

Blogger Manach June 29, 2014 1:53 PM  

The Oscar for best actor goes to ...

Blogger AdognamedOp June 29, 2014 1:53 PM  

Oh man, what a horrid way for the game to end.

Anonymous zen0 June 29, 2014 1:54 PM  

He dove again. One would think he trained in Italy.

I was hoping the goalie would save that.

Anonymous wEz June 29, 2014 1:54 PM  

Wow. Talk about a turn of events.

Anonymous Valiant June 29, 2014 1:59 PM  

BS call against Mexico.

Anonymous wEz June 29, 2014 1:59 PM  

I really dont feel bad for Mexico. I have 20-25 million reasons why.

Anonymous VD June 29, 2014 2:02 PM  

Nonsense. He got drilled before the break on the cut back by the cb. I thought the replay was very conclusive.

It's not nonsense. He didn't get drilled, it was incidental contact, and besides, he was feigning having been tripped. He dove. Twice. Then a third time to draw the penalty. He should be banned for at least three matches.

Frankely, Robben's behavior is worse for the game than Suarez's.

Anonymous MK June 29, 2014 2:08 PM  

I think Mexico changed their stance after the water break. After that, it was a game of one team only.

Anonymous wEz June 29, 2014 2:08 PM  

Mexico wouldnt even have been in the tourney if it wasnt for the USA scoring a late meaningless goal during qualifying.
Also, I do quite enjoy seeing Mexico's fat coach whine and bitch post result.

Anonymous VD June 29, 2014 2:09 PM  

Oh, wait, wrong incident, sorry. I thought you were talking about the one in the 85th minute or so. The earlier one could have gone either way. But to give that kind of penalty in injury time? Come on!

Blogger Tank June 29, 2014 2:12 PM  

Brutal loss.

The kind that really hurts.

Blogger Anthony June 29, 2014 2:14 PM  

Instead of replays, how about more officials watching for penalties? They'd have to mostly be on the sidelines, because many more officials on the field would get in the way of play.

Anonymous wEz June 29, 2014 2:22 PM  

I think FIFA needs to implement significant bans for diving...especially when done in crucial moments of games. With today's technology and multiple replay angles, they could and should crack down on undeniable dives.

Anonymous VD June 29, 2014 2:24 PM  

I think FIFA needs to implement significant bans for diving...especially when done in crucial moments of games.

D'accordo. I mean, I was supporting Holland and now I'd rather see them go out.

Anonymous GreyS June 29, 2014 2:26 PM  

Mexico had a great first half, but when the Dutch went three F Mexico had no answer-- and a goal seemed just a matter of time-- what a blast from Sneijder! No chance for Mex G Ochoa-- who recently became a club free agent-- good timing for that after such stellar play this tourney.

Robben is so good with the ball in close quarters. But man that was a terrible way to end it.Marquez was dumb for coming so late and giving him a chance to flop like that.

Anonymous wEz June 29, 2014 2:26 PM  

Agreed. No doubt the 85th min one was a complete dive.

Blogger F. Lionheart June 29, 2014 2:27 PM  

I couldn't help but support Holland. Although traditionally every German is supposed to be against them. But this "rule" is boring me so much already. (I had a beer with my Dutch colleague and he was laughing so hard when I mentioned that, as independently he came to the very same conclusion how insipidly boring this enforced rivalry has become.)

The game today was alright. The equaliser was phenomenal. The 2-1 was a bit unlucky for Mexico. The referee tried making two (or more) wrongs into a right, he could have given several penalties, but didn't, and instead this dive was rewarded. I think extra time would have been fairer.

Anyway congratulations to Holland.

And belated commiserations to Italy. I was much surprised their early demise. So we will AGAIN again not be able to beat them ;-)

FL

Anonymous GreyS June 29, 2014 2:32 PM  

I think FIFA needs to implement significant bans for diving...especially when done in crucial moments of games.

Even if it is purely post-match there needs to be something. Robben is the perfect example. He is a great player and creates so many situations where the ref is put in a difficult position-- and he is very very good at flopping. If there is a possibility of a suspension then maybe they don't do it in the first place. People will say "they give cards for flopping" but that is so rare. At most the ref just lets them play on instead of calling it the other way.

Anonymous Daniel June 29, 2014 2:37 PM  

Ochoa's face. What a shot to the soul.

Anonymous Jake-the-Rake June 29, 2014 2:55 PM  

Lionheart,

Danke Schoen for the commiserations. I am cheering for Germany... being a Laziale, well, there's Klose, il grande. The fact that he's Polish doesn't matter.

For Italy it's always been "dalle stelle alle stalle" (from stars to stables). The cafès have already settled down with the debates... Es gab keine squadra... Balotelli? He came back with a diatribe against whites... saying that his African brothers are light years ahead... Instagram! Then he sports a new blond patch on his mohican, and drives to Brescia in his Ferrari, to go to his old discotheque haunt with hot-looking Jenny.

Dass is jezt calcio italiano. The argentini have Messi, you have Muller, we have Balotelli... The guy who scored against you in the Europeo and then took of his shirt and posed like the Bronzo di Riace. (a stunt that made him world famous).

I'm old fashioned... I understand joy and team hugs... but, well... our black prima dona... combined with Prandelli's other bad choices... rightfully got their asses kicked in. Costa Rica? (In 1966, Italy got eliminated by North Corea. In fact there are two words that have come to mean rout / debacle: Caporetto - a WW1 battle, and Corea del Nord). Last time it was Slovacchia.

Dalle stelle alle stalle e Forza Deutschland!

Blogger vashine June 29, 2014 3:03 PM  

They talk about not "slowing down the game" or keeping the "purity" of the game. But when "purity" means entire matches or tournaments decided on cheating or referee mistakes, then there is not real 'purity' at all. As many times as a non-call, a dive, or a poor call ends up unjustly crowning a winner, it also results in tied matches that go into extra time or even penalties, which negates the "slowing the game down" complaint. When you have to sit through two 15 minutes periods, more commercials, stoppages, and possibly even penalty kicks (the dumbest and most unjust way ever to end a match), you might not have slowed down the game on the field, but you have surely added a helluva lot more time onto it. Ofttimes to no one's advantage, on the field of off the field.

Diving is the shame, absolute shame, of football. A close second is not taking the one minute it would take to review calls or non-calls that result in goals, penalty shots, or a sending off. Most of these horrible calls or dives are pretty obvious once reviewed. And for the others, it would be obvious that the call on the field stands unless there is clear evidence that it was the wrong call.

FIFA is corrupt and run by half-witted dinosaurs. If you think our banks and governments have soulless, vain, morally bankrupt, greedy, lecherous, and cynically calculating Baby Boomers running the show, then don't for one second think that FIFA has somehow attracted a better sort of person to run its organization.

Qatar 2022 is the most obvious example. With temperatures reaching 120 degrees in the summertime, in a nation with not even close to enough stadiums, it should have been laughed off the moment someone merely mentioned it as a WC host. But no, not only was it considered, it managed to survive the entire selection process AND be selected.

Oh, and you think Blatter and these fools give one damn about slave-like working conditions, abuses, and wages? Hahahaha.

No one there is actually thinking. No one. They're lining their pockets, that's it.

Anonymous Alte June 29, 2014 3:19 PM  

I started of cheering for Holland, but by the end I'd switched sides. Full respect to Mexico for inspiring us.

Anonymous Alte June 29, 2014 3:31 PM  

I agree with the others. That last Robben flop was shameless.

Schiri, ich weiß nicht wo mein Auto steht...

Blogger Steve Moss June 29, 2014 3:32 PM  

I thought Netherlands the better team but Mexico was cheated of their chance. I wish FIFA took diving seriously enough to pose after match sanctions. It's wrecking the game.

Anonymous YIH June 29, 2014 3:33 PM  

Vashine:
The 2022 cup has epic fail (and epic bribes) written all over it.
But hey, if you're going to try to play world cup games in 120F in the summer (or shift the whole thing to winter) it isn't going to come cheap.
BTW, good thing I'm not in SoCal, after their team lost it's probably getting ugly about now.

Anonymous 11B June 29, 2014 3:58 PM  

I don't understand the nuances of the sport, and don't consider myself a fan. But I am glad Mexico lost. After their last win, their colonizers celebrated in one of our cities and even got unruly. So it is nice to see them lose.

Anonymous zen0 June 29, 2014 4:00 PM  

The Mexican DID get a small piece of Robben's toe, but this is the same guy I have seen run through shin-hacks like nothing happened if he is going for goal. Earlier in the game he vaulted a leg that was almost hip high that was supposed to trip him and didn't break stride.

Maybe the referee was too hot as well and did not want to do overtime.

I am still in the anyone but Brazil camp, and if Netherlands wins, I can be in the anyone but Netherlands camp next time.

Blogger F. Lionheart June 29, 2014 4:01 PM  

Schiri, ich weiß nicht wo mein Auto steht...

Häh? Das habe ich noch nie gehört. Was soll das denn bedeuten? Vielleicht bin ich ja schon zu lange außer landes ...

Anonymous Porky June 29, 2014 4:06 PM  

FIFA is really going to have to give serious thought to replay on penalties.

Never, ever, going to happen.

For the same reason that we will never see Lois Lerner's email, Jimmy Hoffa's body, or Stanley Kubrick's shooting script for the moon landings.

Anonymous Aufhebend June 29, 2014 4:12 PM  

F. Lionheart: Häh? Das habe ich noch nie gehört. Was soll das denn bedeuten? Vielleicht bin ich ja schon zu lange außer landes ...

Sie meint wohl dieses Lied da: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25U4KdC93fA&feature=kp

You can find the lyrics here as well: http://www.songtexte.com/songtext/mike-kruger/schiri-ich-weiss-nich-wo-mein-auto-steht-238b089b.html

Blogger Nate June 29, 2014 4:14 PM  

" or Stanley Kubrick's shooting script for the moon landings."

gold. solid gold.

Anonymous Alte June 29, 2014 4:16 PM  

Song text:

Der Schiri hat den anderen den Sieg geschenkt, 
das werden wir ihm lange übel nehm‘. 
Wahrscheinlich wird er an den Eiern aufgehängt, 
aber ich hab‘ ein ganz anderes Problem:

Schiri, ich weiß nicht wo mein Auto steht, 
Schiri, ich hoff‘ du bleibst am Leben. 
Schiri, ich weiß nicht wo mein Auto steht, 
aber deins steht, glaub ich, gleich daneben.

Blogger F. Lionheart June 29, 2014 4:16 PM  

Ciao Jake! Thanks for the reply.

Actually I still owe you a reply to our chat during the earlier Germany game:

Your nemesis is Italy... and that's not war, it's a lovely clash of civilizations, which judging by the number of German tourists (from campsite kiddies to Gran Crus aesthetes up in the hills of Piedmont or exploring the Uffizi), and judging by all the Mercedes, Audis, BMW's clogging traffic worday mornings, is a clash that is thoroughly enjoyed by both parties.

Absolutely agree. Haha, if it "only" were war, then we'd finally would have a chance at an easy win: Alas for last two occasions, we had been more burdened rather than supported, with you guys as allies ... (obviously I'm not being serious).

As far as the tedesco visitors go: Spot on. Actually I'm off to Sicily myself, in a couple of weeks for my summer family holidays. I've never been there before, so I'm much interested and much looking forward to it. My wife and I have pulled together a pretty good plan how to spend the time with a good mix of relax, food and wine, culture, fitness/ sport and fun stuff for the children.

But there's always room for micro improvement, so any suggestions welcome ... don't know how much you know Sicily as a Laziale? Or is there too much inner Italian rivalry?

Blogger F. Lionheart June 29, 2014 4:17 PM  

Song text:

Danke

und

LOL

Anonymous Alte June 29, 2014 4:21 PM  

Yeah, what Aufhebend wrote. Beat me to it. We used to sing it from the stands, but most people scramble the refrain from "referee, I don't know where my car is" to "referee, I know where your car is".

So aggressiv. ..

Anonymous Anonymous June 29, 2014 4:49 PM  

What I've noticed is that if a player thinks he can get a shot on goal he will fight through anything to get that shot. However, once he decides the shot isn't there the next contact no matter how slight will cause him to tumble to the ground.

Anonymous MendoScot June 29, 2014 4:55 PM  

Greece and CR 0-0 at half time. The Greeks are looking the more dangerous team but they are going to lose unless they:

(1) start paying attention to the offside trap, and

(2) stop gifting Campbell free kicks (and eventually a penalty, he already took a dive in the area).

The passing is about the worst I've seen so far, but that was pretty even.

Anonymous zen0 June 29, 2014 4:57 PM  

Costa Rica and Greece appear to be angling for a penalty shoot-out. (all the while waiting for a boneheaded mistake or wonky ref call )

Why don't they save us all the grief and just say so at the beginning of the game, do the shootout, celebrate and cry, and get off the pitch.

Blogger AdognamedOp June 29, 2014 5:14 PM  

What a cheezy goal by CR. Was like a knuckleball that froze the goalie.

Anonymous zen0 June 29, 2014 5:14 PM  

Was that Greek guy just supposed to stand there like that? That wasn't exactly a bullet shot.

Anonymous fifa won't listen June 29, 2014 5:26 PM  

I agree that penalty shots need instant replay. Soccer can survive with flopping, just like hockey can survive with those fake metrosexual fights and football can survive its decision to create a special set of positions for the almost morbidly obese and baseball can survive those dawdling slow-witted low IQ pitchers. But nothing turns off an adult who did not grow up on a sport more than the sight of dishonest grown men ready to bawl and blubber like toddlers every time they trip up near a referee.

Anonymous Jake-the-Rake June 29, 2014 5:47 PM  

Salve Lionheart,

Never been... but of course there are the cannoli (especially for the kids)... Granitas (shaved ice) with oversized cornetti for breakfast...and then there's the world's only polite volcano: Stromboli. Greek temples and amphitheaters and a cuisine so good you'll get tempi supplementari in purgatory.

Tourist invasions are much more fun... and two glasses of the local wine... (there are about 20 DOC varieties) are a fine way to celebrate victory (your own or the other's)

Anonymous Yay, Ref June 29, 2014 5:48 PM  

Nothing like a goal and a red card to get things rolling.

Anonymous VD June 29, 2014 6:01 PM  

Was that Greek guy just supposed to stand there like that?

He was moving to the near post. Nothing he could do when the ball went far post.

Blogger Raggededge June 29, 2014 6:04 PM  

Watching the overhead replay, it was a better goal than it originally looked.

Anonymous Viking June 29, 2014 6:05 PM  

I hate Greece, especially Samars. There has to be a better striker somewhere in Greece.

Anonymous zen0 June 29, 2014 6:25 PM  

> I hate Greece,

But they rate very highly on the WSR Scale.

Anonymous VD June 29, 2014 6:42 PM  

Penalties. Again. Yawn.... Take off one player once overtime starts, then every five minutes thereafter.

Anonymous zen0 June 29, 2014 6:45 PM  

The way these guys were shooting in the overtime, I will be surprised if there are more than 3 goals on penalty kicks.

Anonymous zen0 June 29, 2014 6:50 PM  

4 goals already.

Shows what I know.

Anonymous Salt June 29, 2014 6:56 PM  

Costa Rica !!

Blogger AdognamedOp June 29, 2014 6:59 PM  

Yeah, reducing no. of players on the field in OT would be the way to go.
Good game. Hats off to Greece.

Anonymous Difster June 29, 2014 7:02 PM  

Robben admits to diving.

Blogger JDC June 29, 2014 7:02 PM  

Nobody expected Greece to get as far as they did. That last minute goal to tie it up was beautiful. Brutal ending...

Blogger Jourdan June 29, 2014 7:06 PM  

The closer one looks at the World's Game (tm), the worse it looks.

Anonymous Jabari June 29, 2014 7:08 PM  

Penalties. Again. Yawn.... Take off one player once overtime starts, then every five minutes thereafter.

That's the way my rec leagues always did it - it worked really well and at least resembled soccer until the end of the game.

Blogger F. Lionheart June 29, 2014 7:21 PM  

Never been... but of course there are

Grazie for the list. I shall try all your suggestions. Except Stromboli perhaps, slightly off route. But I would be a poor tourist if Etna weren't on route; so ofc it is.

And, seeing as you haven't visited the island yourself yet, I intend to return the courtesy and aim to report back (same place in ca. 4 weeks).

Anonymous Ann Coulter's Ballz June 29, 2014 8:13 PM  

The more Jourdan farts on these threads, the more he needs his ass wiped.

Anonymous Pat Hannagan June 29, 2014 9:15 PM  

WSR is in for the Belgium v USA game, with shocking results (or maybe not shocking):

Belgium Status
Thibaut Courtois W
Toby Alderweireld W
Vincent Kompany N
Daniel Van Buyten W
Jan Vertonghen W
Marouane Fellaini Moroccan Muslim
Axel Witsel N
Kevin De Bruyne W
Kevin Mirallas W
Eden Hazard W
Romelu Lukaku N

W 7 64%
Other 1 9%
N 2 18%

W 64%
M 27%

USA Status
Tim Howard M
Fabian Johnson M
Geoff Cameron W
DaMarcus Beasley N
Timmy Chandler M
Jermaine Jones M
Graham Zusi W Gay hair
Alejandro Bedoya S
Michael Bradley W
Jozy Altidore N
Clint Dempsey W

W 4 36%
M 4 36%
S 1 9%
N 2 18%

w 36%
M 64%

Belgium
Murka

It is quite clear that those who value civilisation must go for ("root" for) Belgium and hope that Murka goes down in a flaming heap. Consider it your litmus test in personal interactions to judge whether the person you are dealing with is on your side/civilised.

Standby for Germany and France WSRs.

Anonymous zen0 June 29, 2014 10:08 PM  

Standby for Germany and France WSRs.

Thanks, Pat.

Should we not mourn the passing of Greece?
Like, I mean, their demise?

Anonymous zen0 June 29, 2014 10:16 PM  

Who think Bradley is gay.?

Either that, or he is doing a course of chemotherapy.

Anonymous Pat Hannagan June 29, 2014 10:16 PM  

Yes, we were close to distraught this morning yet they faired better than expected so it's not too upsetting in the scheme of things. The news that Eleni Zaroulia is under house arrest we find most upsetting.

The struggle continues.

Anonymous anon June 29, 2014 10:17 PM  

thinks

Anonymous Pat Hannagan June 29, 2014 10:21 PM  

WSR for Germany and France:

Germany Status
Manuel Neuer W
Philipp Lahm W
Per Mertesacker W
Mats Hummels W
Erik Durm W
Sami Khedira M
Bastian Schweinsteiger W
Thomas Muller W
Mesut Ozil M
Marco Reus W
Miroslav Klose W

W 9 82%
M 2 18%
N 0 0%

W 82%
M 18%

France Status
Hugo Lloris W
Mathieu Debuchy W
Laurent Koscielny W
Raphael Varane M
Lucas Digne W
Blaise Matuidi N
Paul Pogba N
Yohan Cabaye W
Mathieu Valbuena W
Karim Benzema M
Franck Ribery W Disgusting

W 7 64%
M 2 18%
N 2 18%


W 64%
M 36%

Germany
France

An outstanding WSR for Germany, especially considering the lost the War and have been occupied for 69 years by Murca.

We find France's WSR a little hard to believe given what we've seen. Ribery's life story makes for disgusting reading. This WSR is under review pending game day team announcement.

Anonymous Curious in Columbia June 29, 2014 10:33 PM  

I figger "W" stands for White People, but what does "M" stand for........Mud People?

Anonymous Pat Hannagan June 29, 2014 10:41 PM  

Some people say Migger, some say Mudder, others say Minority. We leave it to your choosing.

N = Nova M

S = Super M

It's calibrated on the scale of affirmative-action: S > N > M > W

One can have S+N+M to give an overall M rating. W can never combine with any other.

Gayness should be factored as "G > than all". However, we do not have the time to delve further into these matters and can only judge by hairstyle.

Anonymous YIH June 29, 2014 11:01 PM  

If it's an obvious flop, (or like what I saw the other day, a player smacking his own face with another player's arm) yellow card. Do it again, red card.
If soccer is supposed to be ''a first world game'' it should prove it

Anonymous Too-Soon-ami June 29, 2014 11:08 PM  

Yeomans' work there, Pat. Thanks. That's the data I use, to determine who I root for. Though I must admit I don't research it in advance; just a simple head count when the game starts.

Anonymous robwbright June 30, 2014 1:14 AM  

For what it's worth, post match commentators Van Nistelrooy, Lalas and Ballack all agreed that:

1: It was stupid for Marquez to stick his leg out on Robben like that in the penalty area - particularly with 4 other defenders nearby (Van Nistelrooy paraphrase: "If you're going to stick your leg out like that, you're inviting the striker to use that leg to draw a foul"... Lalas paraphrase: "Robben has no duty to avoid your leg when you stick it out like that"); and

2: It was a proper penalty call.

I'm hardly surprised that Van Nistelrooy thought it was a penalty, but Ballack, in particular, did surprise me by taking that position.

Lalas pointed out that there doesn't even have to be actual contact for a penalty to be called... so, I looked up the rule, which states in pertinent part:

"if a player commits any of the following seven offences in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force...

...trips or attempts to trip an opponent".

Given that the ball was about 3 feet from Robben's foot by the time Marquez's foot touched Robben's, I think the penalty could legitimately be given based on a plain reading of the rule - stepping in that late could certainly qualify as "careless". It appeared to be a trip or attempt to trip. The pic in the "Robben admits diving" article certainly appears as if Marquez stepped on Robben's toe.

That said, I also think Robben flopped and won a cheap penalty that shouldn't have been given.

Anonymous Fred June 30, 2014 6:49 AM  

Disagree with your comment on the Robbin dive. a defensive trip at any location on the pitch w/o ball contact on the offense with progress to the goal is a foul. full stop. it happened at the end with Robbin. Finally an actual penalty inside the box...only happened 50 times during the tournament and was rarely called.
The officiating at the cup has been atrocious.....like watching NBA players take 15 steps 25 times during a game on a flashy layup and never a call for travelling...rules are only for the little people.

Anonymous Porky June 30, 2014 10:40 AM  

Pat Hannigan: "It is quite clear that those who value civilisation must go for ("root" for) Belgium."

Belgium = 6% muslim
USA = 0.8% muslim

Anonymous Pat Hannagan June 30, 2014 7:21 PM  

Interesting stat, Porky, especially given the USA's love for the Religion of Peace (I believe that's what your gov't calls it).

According to the Pew Report, your 0.8% equals a Muslim population of 2,595,000. Belgium's 6% equals a Muslim population of 638,000. You win!

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