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Monday, June 30, 2014

SFWA still harbors child molesters II

It's rather remarkable, but SFWA continues to associate with known child molesters while pretending that they are deeply concerned about me doing things I have never done even AFTER they purged me from the organization. Bud Webster wrote this in October 2013, two months after the SFWA Board informed me that it had voted unanimously for my expulsion:
This is partly my fault because I've only just now looked at the "Authors Estates" pages, but why were those estates handled by family members or other private individuals listed with their full contact information? That's exactly what we DON'T want, and its why I wish i'd had a chance to proof those pages before the Directory went live.

All we need is for someone outside the organization (or even someone inside, for that matter) to use that information to harass the heirs of an author they don't like, or who represents a race, gender or nationality they find offensive (don't shake your head - remember Vox Day?) to start sending abusive emails or worse, phone calls.
I had to laugh at his bizarre appeal to SF's Voldemort. First, recall that SFWA members such as John Scalzi, Teresa Nielsen Hayden, and NK Jemisin have been publicly attacking me since 2005. Second, be aware that I have had the entire membership's personal contact information for more than 14 years and have never once made any use of the SFWA directory to send emails or make phone calls, abusive or otherwise. And third, note that John Scalzi was lying, and knowingly lying, when he tweeted: "@jimchines The Naive Idiocy of Not Checking Your Facts Before Making Accusations Online"

Prior to posting the information about Ed Kramer last week, I checked the 2010 directory. I also checked the online membership list. Ed Kramer, the convicted child molester, appeared in both of them. I did not check the 2013 directory for an obvious reason: I was expelled from SFWA and did not have a copy of it. Why didn't I check the 2011 and 2012 directories? Well, as Michael Capobianco wrote in March 2013:
I know a bunch of handbooks were sent out at some point a couple of years ago, but the Directory is a principal part of the new member packet, and there hasn't been a new Directory since spring of 2010.
Who was responsible for this failure to produce a new Directory between spring 2010 and March 2013? None other than John Scalzi, President of SFWA from July 2010 to July 2013. Which means that Mr. Scalzi knew perfectly well that there was no failure to check any facts on my part before I observed that Ed Kramer was a member of SFWA (and remains eligible for SFWA membership today). Also note that during those three years as the president of the organization, John Scalzi did absolutely nothing about Ed Kramer's membership even though he threatened to leave SFWA in 2013 if the newly elected Board did not remove mine. He had no problem at all associating with rapists, sexual deviants, self-described savages, and child molesters. Nor did SFWA member and Tor.com editor Patrick Nielsen Hayden, who, nearly one year after threatening to leave SFWA if I was not expelled, published the tribute to MZB entitled "Marion Zimmer Bradley Gave Us New Perspectives".


I recently obtained a copy of the 2013 directory. It is true that Ed Kramer is not in it. One therefore concludes he failed to pay his dues sometime between 2011 and 2013. But that doesn't mean SFWA ended its association with him or with other child molesters. For example, consider page 102 of the current directory and note the highlighted estate. Fortunately, seeing as the directory is in print, it will be considerably harder for those who deceitfully implied that I was inventing Kramer's SFWA membership to deny the organization's continued association with another, now-deceased child molester.

Thanks to the SFWA Forum, we know that SFWA has known about Ed Kramer since at least 2004.  Thanks to SFF.NET and SFWA member Stephen Goldin, we know SFWA has known about Marion Zimmer Bradley since at least 1999. SFWA still has not ended its association with either of those two known child molesters. And those are merely the two members whose criminally aberrant activities are already known to the public; they are not the only two deviants with whom SFWA is continuing to associate and celebrate.

Jason Sanford, an SFWA member who is neither a friend nor ally of mine, wrote this about "science fiction and fantasy's Woody Allen" in February:
I've heard no apologies from any of Kramer's other extremely vocal defenders in the genre. Just like Hollywood, many in the SF/F community are too willing to look away from sexual abuse and child molestation when it is inconvenient to either themselves or the genre. However, doing this actually weakens the genre and harms all of us, as it encourages a culture of silence and allows predators like Kramer to continue harming new victims.
Mr. Sanford said it, not me: "Many in the SF/F community are too willing to look away from sexual abuse and child molestation." But it is absolutely true. Still, it's hard to blame SFWA when they have so many other, much more pressing concerns with which to deal, such as policing the political opinions of its members, reviewing convention policies, denouncing nonexistent award campaigns, and writing 80-page reports about the potential misuse of a non-official Twitter account. The more SFWA tries to deny that it has a problem with criminal deviants in its midst, the more its members attack those who expose the problem instead of addressing it, and the more silent and inert its leadership remains on the subject, the more questions this raises about the moral degradation of the organization and its members.

A few days ago, Mr. Sanford wrote this:
The Marion Zimmer Bradley revelations shocked me when I first learned of them a week ago. But what shocked me more was that the actions of MZB and her pedophile husband were an open secret in the genre for decades. Many people even defended MZB and attacked anyone who dared speak the truth about her.

The same thing happened with Ed Kramer, who recently pleaded guilty to child molestation charges. The same veil of silence surrounded Kramer. People who dared speak the truth were attacked....

How many times must our genre go through this? How long must our silence protect those who use that silence to prey upon others?
Support me or despise me, I am speaking the plain and simple truth. Attack me for it if you wish. Question my motivations if you like. All of that is entirely irrelevant. Nothing will change the readily confirmable facts. I didn't create this cancer in science fiction and I cannot excise it from a community to which I do not belong and with which I have never cared to personally associate. Only the people who dwell inside that strange little community can do so, and if they do not, if they continue to look the other way while celebrating and honoring their deviants, they will be rightly condemned for it by every decent person of any political stripe.

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Anonymous Pat Hannagan June 30, 2014 2:47 AM  

Other questions remain. For instance, is the conviction of Edward Kramer yet another example of "virulent anti-Semitism?"

Could Edward Kramer be the new Leo Frank and the ADL galvanised to form yet another organisation in honour of Jewish child rapists?

Anonymous Pat Hannagan June 30, 2014 3:00 AM  

Prediction: In approximately ten years time Rupert Murdoch will be honoured to receive the ADL's "Ed Kramer Courage to Care Award" for service to citizens of the Gaza Strip in fellowship with Israel.

Anonymous VD June 30, 2014 3:18 AM  

That was just Ann Morgan trolling again, BZ. Never mind her.

Blogger The Deuce June 30, 2014 3:20 AM  

You know, SFWA's silence and messenger-shooting actually constitutes evidence, in and of itself, that homosexuality and the other forms of sexual license they celebrate are indeed associated with child molestation, and that they're aware of that fact, or at least suspect it strongly enough that they cannot bring themselves to make the full-throated condemnation of child rapists that they do of Twitter feed "misusers" or men who refer to lady editors as ladies in newsletters.

Anonymous Bz June 30, 2014 3:30 AM  

The controversial SFWA still appears to deny what has been going on.

What are the views of SFWA members like Theresa Nielsen-Hayden and Patrick Nielsen-Hayden, for example? Apart from being senior editos at Tor, they are, ccording to the "about" page of Tor.com, founders and senior staff of the site, which recently published a paean of well-known child molester and SFWA member Marion Zimmer Bradley. Any comments on MZB or the Breendoggle?

It was hardly unknown earlier either. For example, James Nicoll, well known sf fan and vigorous canadian left-winger, in 2006 wrote in rec.arts.sf.written


As I mentioned on my blog, it's very creepy to read a book with a significant molestation subplot [The Heritage of Hastur] when that book is dedicated to Walter Breen, convicted child molester, for his "extensive and peculiar" knowledge of Darkover."


http://rec.arts.sf.written.narkive.com/21UcsDY9/daw-1972-long

Subsequent comments show that MZB and Breen's proclivities were well-known then, and to some extent denied then. (Though seemingly MZBs own child abuse was not known.)

Anonymous Bz June 30, 2014 3:34 AM  

Sorry, I was too quick on the trigger, VD.

Anonymous VD June 30, 2014 3:52 AM  

And they were right there defending MZB too:

"Yes, but Marion didn't KNOW that then. When she did find out, it was a horrible shock to her and did a lot of bad things to her health."
- Dorothy J. Heydt

Sure it was, Dorothy.... But some things don't change. Consider this exchange about Breen:

"Fandom is rarely reluctant to talk about fandom; this is an interesting exception."

"... dude. You folks get eerily silent about airing your dirty laundry in the presence of hostile outsiders (which is nearly all of them, regarding this particular issue)."

They still do, with the exception of a few individuals like Jason Sanford and Deidre Moen.

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 30, 2014 6:38 AM  

Omega male and worse female hero worship. That is I think what this mostly boils down to.



It boils down I think to cognitive dissonance How believers cope with the trauma of disappointment has long been a theme in the field of social psychology. ..individuals will look for mechanisms to reduce dissonance... Three general responses are possible: acceptance, denial, and deflection.

All three are in evidence here but it says a lot about SFWA people that the strongest reaction seems to have been denial. Admittedly they couldn't deal with the world as it was in the first place. They gave themselves the illusion that they had created a refuge where the "mundanes," couldn't intrude and hurt their feelings. The word insular doesn't begin to cover it.

And their heroes reputations have to be protected at all costs.

Anonymous Obvious June 30, 2014 6:39 AM  

What do you hope to accomplish with these posts? Do you really expect anything to fundamentally change?

That seems highly unlikely.

Anonymous Tixuan June 30, 2014 6:48 AM  

Obvious, he hates the SFWA, that is all. It's like Ahab or Khan. He'll spit his last breath at them, for hates sake.

Anonymous thegrayman June 30, 2014 6:53 AM  

Vox is just having fun, Obvious. If he makes them apologize and they're embarassed he wins. If they dont and he makes this info public, he still wins.

Anonymous VD June 30, 2014 7:06 AM  

What do you hope to accomplish with these posts? Do you really expect anything to fundamentally change?

To learn and reveal the truth, whatever it might be. I don't expect anything to fundamentally change; I don't think anything has fundamentally changed since the original Fall of Man.

Obvious, he hates the SFWA, that is all.

I don't hate SFWA. I don't even hate John Scalzi or NK Jemisin. Contempt is not hate. I find people like Scalzi and Hines to be both interesting and incredible. I could not calmly and methodically continue to study and expose them if I hated them. Those who think I am filled with hate don't understand me at all. I am almost the exact opposite of a garden-variety hater ruled by his passions.

Anonymous Daniel June 30, 2014 7:32 AM  

Truman Capote. In Cold Blood. His sympathy for murderers made him a lot of money, too.

SFWA is a predatory haven, and McRapey knows how to wear the right dress for the occasion.

Anonymous y June 30, 2014 7:34 AM  

Why does Obvious support institutionalized child molestation? Why does Obvious have an agenda to enable child rape?

You should post Obvious' IP address in this thread. We need to know this individual and his affiliations. .. think of the children.

Anonymous wow... just wow June 30, 2014 7:36 AM  

Obvious: What do you hope to accomplish with your daily trolling? Do you really expect anything to fundamentally change?

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 30, 2014 7:44 AM  

And their heroes reputations have to be protected at all costs.

Fandom has always been way too feminized for it's own good. Given the nature of the Omega, this was inevitable. All decisions are made by non-confrontational consensus Decisions about whose reputation must be protected doubly so.

A much more mild case in point. I recently mentioned on Facebook the sad obvious truth that Terry Pratchett's new books aren't any good and in my opinion his Alzheimer's has tragically reached the point where he can't write anymore, so he's being ghosted but a vastly lesser talent, probably his daughter.

And my God, my God, the shrieking harpies descended. How dare you say that about, SIR Terry Pratchett's new books!?!?!? You sicken and disgust me, vile cretin!!. I'll have you know SIR Terry is quite ill!!!

Look ladies, I've loved some of books...

Only some?!?!?!

....He was great talent that matured beautifully over the years but he admits he can't tie his own shoes anymore which sure as hell means he can't type. Dictation is a different mental process to be sure but even accounting for that these new books are clearly and obviously pastiche.

BLASPHEMER! PERSECUTE!

And he doesn't take his knighthood all that seriously!

KILL THE HERETIC!!!

My point is Omega-fans couldn't deal with even this minor reality. Presenting them with a major one was impossible. I've now heard stories that, began. Well yes, if people were having MZB and her husband over, they would tell the children to barricade themselves in their room.

Had them over.

Had them over?! As in inviting known child molesters into your home? The only reason to do that is to take advantage of Castle Law.

(*embarrassed silence*)

Omega fans. Refusing to grant the invitation was utterly impossible to them.

Anonymous NateM June 30, 2014 7:55 AM  

VDJune 30, 2014 3:18 AM
That was just Ann Morgan trolling again, BZ. Never mind her.

Noted Child Molestation Advocate Ann Morgan?

Anonymous bob k. mando June 30, 2014 7:57 AM  

one unexplored tangent that disappoints me, 'Requires Only That You Hate' has been radio silent since the beginning of January.

if we can't count on a lesbian, hyperfeminist, America and white people hating cultural marxist to light off a 10 gal can of gasoline over this ... what can we count on?

Anonymous Maximo Macaroni June 30, 2014 7:57 AM  

The nightmare for the SFWA and all others who support "criminal deviance" of various sorts is that it will become obvious that the more accepted (today) forms of deviance will be linked in the public mind with overwhelmingly unacceptable forms of criminality such as child molestation. Look at the power of the propaganda hurricane that has been unleashed to push oxymorons like "sodomite marriage". All that would not have been necessary to convince normal, sensible people if it made common sense. The more the propagandists push, however, the closer they get to the precipice where the exact nature of the abyss and its contents become obvious. The revulsion will be in proportion.

I give full credit to Vox for continuing to hammer on the points that will, sooner or later (oh, what a foolish optimist I am!) sweep away this cesspool of sin and deviltry that we call "modern culture".

Anonymous Jeigh Di June 30, 2014 8:43 AM  

O.T. In the meantime, were he alive, Tolkein might well be having to contend with these sorts of things: http://www.csectioncomics.com/

Anonymous Daniel June 30, 2014 8:48 AM  

Huh. Octavia Butler...of Fledgling fame? Yeah, the one about the alien adolescent who appears to be a 10-year old black girl...who seduces adult human beings into sex.

John Wayne Gacy would be envious of SFWA's closet...

This is just one page of the directory. May God have mercy.

Anonymous Daniel June 30, 2014 8:55 AM  

Actually, Jeigh Di, Tolkien did have to contend: he said that, while he did not presently see Sauron in our midst, he saw an awful lot of Sarumans...and he cursed and opposed them with aninspiring righteous commitment to exposing their plots.

C.S. Lewis saw authors like Tolkien and T.S. Eliot (and himself) as conducting a rearguard action for Christianity versus modernity...and I always took that to mean that this generation, therefore, must conduct a guerrilla counterattack.

In any case, do not concede the field, no matter the odds. I doubt very much that Tolkien would be left speechless in the face of such pathetic goblins.

Anonymous bob k. mando June 30, 2014 8:59 AM  

Daniel June 30, 2014 8:48 AM
Yeah, the one about the alien adolescent who appears to be a 10-year old black girl



you know, it seems it's actually better for these asshole freaks that the more 'traditional' fan doesn't read pink SF.

because the more pink SF you see reviews of, the more obvious it is that it's not much more than 2nd tier fanfreakfic that has been jumped up into the 'publishable' category ( usually through the externality of the race/sex/preference of the writer ) by some half assed 'professional' editor.


Anonymous RedJack June 30, 2014 9:15 AM  

Cataline Sergius June 30, 2014 6:38 AM

It boils down I think to cognitive dissonance How believers cope with the trauma of disappointment has long been a theme in the field of social psychology. ..individuals will look for mechanisms to reduce dissonance... Three general responses are possible: acceptance, denial, and deflection.



I have seen that to often with people in churches, companies, and sports teams. If you believe, most feel you HAVE to justify everything the leadership does. I have rarely felt that way (and never have once I became aware of the situations). Which has given me a lot of trouble in just about every organization I have been involved with.

The only thing worse (in most places) than a person who does not live up to the standards of the group is the one who points those failings out. There is a reason why most Old Testament prophets ended up dead.

OpenID gnardopolo June 30, 2014 9:42 AM  

If the Hayden's are anything close to the typical publisher (and they seem to be), it is no wonder that they resist indie and small press publishing so much. If other voices, other beliefs can get out into the public arena, people might see through the moral degeneracy they are pushing as acceptable, even desirable. And their reasoning gives the game away: only they have the capacity to accurately judge a work for public consumption.

How galling it must be for them to have the public reject their worldview for something as banal as child molestation. After all, the most talented people they know do it, so it must be okay.

Anonymous George of the Jungle June 30, 2014 10:00 AM  

Tixuan: 'Obvious, he hates the SFWA, that is all.'

No, what is glaringly obvious is that leftists such as Tixuan have no original thoughts in their communal heads, and simply regurgitate ad infinitum the banal manichean "if they don't think like I do, it can only be hate" duality.

Progs have either completely forgotten or never heard of other feelings/emotions/states such as disgust, contempt, distaste, dislike, nausea, abhorrence, revulsion, etc. If they otherwise believe that all of those are simply synonyms, then that is yet further proof of their vile misuse of the language, and their insane thinking thereof.

Anonymous NK Jammyjams June 30, 2014 10:06 AM  

"Progs have either completely forgotten or never heard of other feelings/emotions/states such as disgust, contempt, distaste, dislike, nausea, abhorrence, revulsion, etc."

Sure we do. But we save these for White Christian Men alone.

Child rape ... meh.

But whitey make me sick!

Anonymous dh June 30, 2014 10:09 AM  

Don't worry folks, Scalzi is on it. His latest post on his award-wining blog is.. you know.. filled with portraits of his (extremely overfed) pets.

Blogger John Wright June 30, 2014 10:14 AM  

Dear Obvious:
"What do you hope to accomplish with these posts? Do you really expect anything to fundamentally [sic] change? That seems highly unlikely. "

He hopes to accomplish by his remarks the same thing you hope to accomplish with yours. A righteous man falsely accused sees his same accusers cooperate by their silence with a real and despicable abomination and crime -- honor forbids him from joining their silence. Do you not understand that word?

Anonymous Grave John June 30, 2014 10:19 AM  

Those who think I am filled with hate don't understand me at all. I am almost the exact opposite of a garden-variety hater ruled by his passions.

You normally come across as calm and methodical, but since the Kramer episode, not so much. The unforced errors give the impression of anger/hate/emotion.

Anonymous Capture the IP address of all these molestors June 30, 2014 10:26 AM  

Let the records show: Grave John likes little boys. I mean likes likes. And by liking I mean "raping."

Anonymous VD June 30, 2014 10:32 AM  

The unforced errors give the impression of anger/hate/emotion.

And to what unforced errors do you refer?

Blogger Chiva June 30, 2014 10:34 AM  

If a father learns about the molestation of children and does not feel any indignation then I would seriously question that fathers sanity.

Blogger JaimeInTexas June 30, 2014 10:36 AM  

There is a saying, a fish rots from the head down. In reality, it is wrong. Gills and guts begin to rot first but the smell seems to come from the head.

As I read about all this child abuse stuff, frist, it saddens me to read personal accounts of victims. Second, the head/leadership of SFWA is stinking but it is just a symptom of an already rotting fish.

Same thing applies in general politics and society.

Anonymous Pete Sampras June 30, 2014 10:37 AM  

The unforced errors give the impression of anger/hate/emotion.

Are you at Wimbledon? Lots of Elite molesters around those parts, for sure (pun intended).

Anonymous I used to beat you up in high school.. now you know why June 30, 2014 10:38 AM  

In high school, nerds like Ed Kramer were shunned, even bullied and physically assaulted.

Why? Because they were weird? Because they had strange tastes and compulsions? Because they didn't play football, but instead were into their own particular hobbies?

The point is... when do we start putting these creepy nerds back in their lockers?

Anonymous RedJack June 30, 2014 10:38 AM  

Chiva,
I agree.

As a father, when I read of beasts molesting kids.. Well lets just say I am not very "nice".

When I hear of organizations chosing to allow beasts to molest kids in order to protect their organization, I feel the same why. As a Christian, the Bible is quite clear what happens to those who do such things. It would be better if they were tied to a mill stone and thrown into the sea.

One of the reasons I do not respect the current Catholic church, is that in the past the choices was made to protect the institution, and damn the children. Same with public schools, the Girl Scouts, and the SFWA.

Anonymous Roman Polanski June 30, 2014 10:44 AM  

Obvious, he hates the SFWA, that is all.

Apparently, you do not hate child rapists. That is all.

Blogger ajw308 June 30, 2014 10:49 AM  

The unforced errors give the impression of anger/hate/emotion
You do realize we're talking about cretins who rape children?

Anonymous Speaker for the Dead June 30, 2014 11:02 AM  

Ajw; yes, but VD is not focused on ending abuse or exposing abusers, he's focused on associating a deceased abuser and an imprisoned abuser with an organization he's embittered toward

Blogger James Dixon June 30, 2014 11:03 AM  

> Noted Child Molestation Advocate Ann Morgan?

Well, Ann has indicated that she was abused as a child. And it's been noted before how that works.

Blogger James Dixon June 30, 2014 11:05 AM  

> ...he's focused on associating a deceased abuser and an imprisoned abuser with an organization he's embittered toward

An organization which was silent while the abuse was happening (perhaps criminally so, given their knowledge of same) and to this day has refused to condemn or disassociate themselves from the abusers? I don't think it's Vox who has the problem here.

Anonymous VD June 30, 2014 11:10 AM  

Ajw; yes, but VD is not focused on ending abuse or exposing abusers, he's focused on associating a deceased abuser and an imprisoned abuser with an organization he's embittered toward

First of all, my motivations are irrelevant. Second, I am not associating those two individuals with the organization, I am merely pointing out that both of them have been associated with the organization for decades. Third, it is readily apparent that you are more bothered by me and my supposed motivations than you are about SFWA's continued association with child molesters and other sexual deviants.

Regardless of what you believe my focus to be, I am exposing these abusers. Whereas you, like MZB's and Ed Kramer's defenders before you, are attacking those exposing the abusers.

Why are you doing that? Why do you want their activities to remain unknown? Why do you wish to conceal their proven association with SFWA?

Anonymous The other skeptic June 30, 2014 11:22 AM  

Why does Apple CEO want to hide from the general public that he is gay?

Surely, in these times when we are told that Gay is good they could exploit that fact to even further expand their sales, or is it that they know something about public tastes?

Anonymous The other skeptic June 30, 2014 11:25 AM  

Ajw; yes, but VD is not focused on ending abuse or exposing abusers, he's focused on associating a deceased abuser and an imprisoned abuser with an organization he's embittered toward

It seems to me that he is exposing the fact that there are plenty of enablers of child molesting in the SFWA.

Are you a child molester who is bothered by what Vox is doing?

Anonymous Noah B. June 30, 2014 11:32 AM  

"Why does Apple CEO want to hide from the general public that he is gay?"

Suddenly, Apple's logo seems much more Kafkaesque.

Anonymous Evil Clown June 30, 2014 11:34 AM  

1) Take that most recent SFWA directory...

2) Run every name through the National Sex Offender database: http://www.nsopw.gov/

3) See what happens.

Wanna bet more names come up?

Anonymous Alexander June 30, 2014 11:43 AM  

Not that *is* an interesting idea.

Anonymous RedJack June 30, 2014 11:45 AM  

Interesting.
Don't defend against the accusation, attack the one who points out the fact that the SFWA has enabled child predators.

Anonymous VD June 30, 2014 11:46 AM  

That was fast. Does anyone know if the "C" in "Jim C. Hines" stands for "Corey"?

Anonymous Difster June 30, 2014 11:47 AM  

This just keeps getting better.

Over the weekend, I tweeted to a couple of people that were bragging about their SFWA membership and they truly just buried their head in the sand and refused to deal with the issue.

Anonymous bob k. mando June 30, 2014 11:48 AM  

John Wright June 30, 2014 10:14 AM
Do you not understand that word?



there are many words that the Left fails to understand. but the misunderstanding is willful and intentional.

many a year ago ( early 90s ), i had the pleasure of a Leftist trying to debate me about whether homosexuality should be normalized.

the crux of his argument came down to him telling me that the only reason i was against homos was because i had a visceral disgust for them AND that *disgust was nothing but 'fear'*.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/disgust?s=t

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fear?s=t

now, i don't know about you but i had NEVER seen disgust and fear used as synonyms for each other ... and only rarely since ( always by libs trying to justify queers ).

stepping in moist dog crap and tracking it all around my house disgusts me. but i am in no way 'afraid' of dog crap.

the libs, of course, are perfectly aware of this. they're just trying to find a lie that weak conservatives might be susceptible too.

Anonymous Don June 30, 2014 11:51 AM  

Vox, Markku, I know they have contractual obligations but what do you think a publisher's role is in all this? For instance, if CH found that one of its authors was another MZB what would be your options? Would you have to keep publishing their books or do you have some kind of morals clause?

Anonymous Evil Clown June 30, 2014 11:58 AM  

Does anyone know if the "C" in "Jim C. Hines" stands for "Corey"?

Vox: What state was this person registered? Michigan?

from Wikipedia: Hines was a volunteer crisis counselor in East Lansing and worked as the Male Outreach Coordinator for the MSU Safe Place.[1] In 2008, he donated his archive to the Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America (SFWA) Collection in the department of Rare Books and Special Collections at Northern Illinois University.[2] He was the author guest of honor at ICON, the Iowa Science Fiction Convention in 2009. He currently lives in Michigan, where he works for state government

OpenID cailcorishev June 30, 2014 12:00 PM  

yes, but VD is not focused on ending abuse or exposing abusers

Since you're able to read minds and determine people's private intentions, perhaps you could read the minds (such as they are) of the SFWA and tell us why they're so desperate to protect child molesters. Or at least tell us why you are.

Anonymous Krul June 30, 2014 12:04 PM  

I did a google image search for both "Jim C Hines" and "Jim Corey Hines". They're not the same person.

Anonymous GreyS June 30, 2014 12:07 PM  

All we need is for someone outside the organization (or even someone inside, for that matter) to use that information to harass the heirs of an author they don't like, or who represents a race, gender or nationality they find offensive (don't shake your head - remember Vox Day?) to start sending abusive emails or worse, phone calls.

(chuckle) When I read that I thought he was saying "remember how some of us treated Vox Day? We need to be careful here."

Anonymous VD June 30, 2014 12:10 PM  

I did a google image search for both "Jim C Hines" and "Jim Corey Hines". They're not the same person.

I assumed as much. Jim Corey appears to be down around San Antonio. The writer Jim C is in Michigan.

Anonymous bw June 30, 2014 12:15 PM  

yes, but VD is not focused on ending abuse or exposing abusers

Like, I know, right!? He couldn't possibly be actually exposing child abuse. That wouldn't fit your ego-identity-narrative.
Yet, here he is - the only one in the world exposing and shining light on child rape and sex by evil adults in the SFWA (particularly).
Translation: Vox Day is not in fact exposing child rapists in the SFWA and no good can come from the fact that he is (not) doing it for the right reason. Because he isn't.
Brilliant.

Anonymous SumDood June 30, 2014 12:27 PM  

Re: Tim Cook:

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/06/28/a-w-k-w-a-r-d-cnbc-panel-goes-quiet-when-apple-ceo-tim-cook-outed-as-gay-by-panel-member/

One of the comments refers to the Apple logo being a homage to pedophile Alan Turing, who committed suicide with a poisoned apple after being caught.

Anonymous Daniel June 30, 2014 12:33 PM  

Have you tried looking under Jane C. Hines?

Anonymous Krul June 30, 2014 12:38 PM  

SumDood - One of the comments refers to the Apple logo being a homage to pedophile Alan Turing, who committed suicide with a poisoned apple after being caught.

Pedophile? I know Turing was gay, but I'd never heard that he was a pedophile. His wiki page only mentions one sexual partner: 19-year-old Arnold Murphy. Why do you say he was a pedophile?

Anonymous Laughing Hypenena June 30, 2014 12:39 PM  

"What are the views of SFWA members like Theresa Nielsen-Hayden and Patrick Nielsen-Hayden,"

I despise hyphenated names! It is a signpost for a progressive agenda. Pretentious and absurd. If Scalzi was to be hyphenated by a queen, I would not be surprised!

Obvious must have a hyphen in her/his/its name as well. I am sure of it!

Anonymous VD June 30, 2014 12:40 PM  

I had no idea that anyone might have imagined Tim Cook was straight. I genuinely thought he was out and open.

Anonymous VD June 30, 2014 12:45 PM  

I'm not entirely sure he's in the clear, however. In addition to the creepy rape fixation, there is this: "I’ve visited four elementary schools this year, and spoken to hundreds of young kids."

Mm-kay.... I firmly believe there is something seriously amiss with any adult male who voluntarily spends large quantities of time with children who aren't his own. Especially if they have beards.

Anonymous YIH June 30, 2014 12:48 PM  

Whatever you think of ''gays'' the whole pedophilia issue has been a very thorny one for them.
And yes, mainly due to politics - it's easy to 'sell' the libertarian ''what two adults do, blah, blah, blah'' but add minors to the mix and it's a whole different story. They'd like to push the ''gays don't recruit'' meme but when it comes to (how the pervs like to call it) 'adult/child sex' many of them and their supporters do squirm. I mentioned the Kaitlyn Hunt case last year, the initial report (from Kaitlyn's parents) was ''Kaitlyn's 17 the other girl is 15 and their in love''. The activists jumped all over it with ''how can you make 'love' a crime?!''.
Then the police report became public - with details, they had been quite, err, 'busy' for quite some time AND the ages were actually 18+ and 14!
The activists didn't just cool - they froze! ''Um, err, 18 and 14? Err, never mind''. To quote Huffpo: ''the petition has been withdrawn''.
My point is 'cons' are 'all ages' events, those in charge did nothing to keep suspected pervs away from minors.
They're scared $#!+less and they should be; sooner or later there's going to be ''my son/daughter went to 'blasto-con' and got groped/raped... take it up with my lawyer''.
I can tell you how that'll shake out: Everyone involved (like YOU, Scalzi) will get dragged through the mud and all the um, ''less savory'' aspects of SF/F, anime, comics, horror and even My Little Pony will be turned into the freak show it all too often actually is.
And if they have to shell out a judgement/settlement? Ask the Catholics about that.
You can see what a total $#!+storm it will be for all of fandom:
''Well John, y'know, after that big scandal, and that big drop in sales...''

Anonymous John Dee June 30, 2014 12:48 PM  

I despise hyphenated names! It is a signpost for a progressive agenda


It's a signpost for desperation, is what it is.
But that's nothing. You just wait. Soon definitions of words will be alchemically changed and they'll be calling deviant homosexuals "happy" - even people who find it disgusting and against nature will use the term freely and without thinking. Just wait. You'll see.

Anonymous Brass Tacks June 30, 2014 12:48 PM  

Which specifc abusers has VD exposed?

Blogger RandalThorn June 30, 2014 12:54 PM  

^Sooner or later...McRapey.

Anonymous VD June 30, 2014 12:57 PM  

Which specifc abusers has VD exposed?

Well, so far we have a "Jim C. Hines" and a "Eugene Myers" on the National Sex Offender Registry.

Anonymous Sigyn June 30, 2014 1:01 PM  

Ajw; yes, but VD is not focused on ending abuse or exposing abusers, he's focused on associating a deceased abuser and an imprisoned abuser with an organization he's embittered toward

Embittered? Goodness, are you psychic? Quick, tell me what I'm feeling!

The abusers were already associated with the organization in question--voluntarily on both sides. It's coming to light that many ranking or influential members of the organization were aware of the abuse going on, too.

The key thing here is that the org has taken upon its own shoulders a moral authority--ejecting people for conduct it deems immoral or otherwise inappropriate--so the question is, why were these demonstrably immoral people permitted to remain members?

When someone takes on that burden, it is not only legit but almost mandatory to ask what standards they're going to apply. That's what's going on here.

Anonymous Brass Tacks June 30, 2014 1:03 PM  

VD; if one can't be exposed for doing X, if one is on a national register of Xers.

Anonymous VD June 30, 2014 1:06 PM  

Actually, it's somewhat remarkable how many SFWA names are in the registry. In addition to "Jim C. Hines" there is "Terry A. Adams" as well as "Daniel Abraham". Most are ruled out by virtue of address, but in some cases the registry doesn't contain one. But unless the SFWA version is also black, I don't think it's the same Terry Adams,

Anonymous .... June 30, 2014 1:07 PM  

Which specifc abusers has VD exposed?

Maybe it will be the pedophile who trolls here as "Brass Tacks"

Anonymous VD June 30, 2014 1:08 PM  

one can't be exposed for doing X, if one is on a national register of Xers.

Very true. Which would eliminate any excuse for SFWA continuing to harbor them, wouldn't you agree?

Anonymous I used to beat you up in high school.. now you know why June 30, 2014 1:13 PM  

(cough) Tad (cough cough)

Blogger Fnord Prefect June 30, 2014 1:20 PM  

@Obvious @Tixuan

Vox is exposing a safe haven for child molesters and predatory pedophiles. Why is that a problem for either of you?

Anonymous Don June 30, 2014 1:30 PM  

One wonders why Tad feels the need to troll whenever the issue of child molestation comes up? If you needed more proof that homosexuality and pedophilia were inextricably linked look no further.

Anonymous Daniel June 30, 2014 1:53 PM  

Jerry Sandusky and Graham Spanier are not in the offender registry, so by being currently off the registry doesn't mean that one is not an offender.

Blogger James Dixon June 30, 2014 2:04 PM  

> Quick, tell me what I'm feeling!

Well, since your youngster is still less than 2, I'd guess tired. :)

Anonymous RedJack June 30, 2014 2:14 PM  

Graham Spanier..

Google "The Franklin Cover Up" from when he was in Nebraska.

When the Sandusky stuff came out, I was a bit surprised to see that Spanier wasn't in jail. But he was always connected.

Anonymous Sigyn June 30, 2014 2:23 PM  

Well, since your youngster is still less than 2, I'd guess tired. :)

Rats!

Blogger Brad Andrews June 30, 2014 2:36 PM  

The two individuals I personally knew who had a sex change operation both grew full beards before doing that. I haven't studied the issue, but it seemed more than a coincidence.

Blogger James Dixon June 30, 2014 2:46 PM  

> Rats!

It's a gift Sigyn. It's also one shared with most people who have younger bothers and sisters. :)

But I notice that Speaker for the Dead hasn't bothered to respond.

Anonymous takin' a look June 30, 2014 2:47 PM  

"RedJack June 30, 2014 2:14 PM

Graham Spanier..

Google "The Franklin Cover Up" from when he was in Nebraska. When the Sandusky stuff came out, I was a bit surprised to see that Spanier wasn't in jail. But he was always connected."

http://americanfreepress.net/?p=5335

You're absolutely right RedJack.

"During his tenure at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln (UNL), Spanier was described as a “long time friend and associate” of Ronald Roskens, the former chancellor and president of UNL. Roskens, in turn, served as a close advisor to a man named Lawrence King, who operated a massive pedophile network in Nebraska that came to be known as “The Franklin Scandal.”

Roskens received his termination notice after being photographed with young naked boys at his residence. Gary Caradori, a private investigator that delved into the Franklin Cover-up, wrote of the circumstances surrounding Rosken’s firing. “I was informed that Roskens was terminated by the state because of sexual activities reported to the Regents and verified by them. Roskens was reported to have had young men at his residence for sexual encounters.” [Sound familiar to Sandusky’s activities?]

On July 11, 1990, after obtaining pornographic-pedophile photographs that would have irreversibly exposed the Franklin Cover-Up, Caradori was murdered when his Piper aircraft exploded in mid-air, killing him and his eight-year-old son."

There's probably more in the massive Aangirfan archives and of course, Dave McGowan's Pedophacracy.

Anonymous Daniel June 30, 2014 3:06 PM  

Spanier was into perversion well before his work at Nebraska and the Franklin pedo ring. (Also at UNL, he was head of the Pink Triangle push...basically requiring all professors to be gay-friendly.)

His dissertation was on how in-family perversions could and would be viewed as normal behavior within the sexual spectrum.

I'd be surprised if he wasn't well aware of the utility of the SFWA's methodology and target groups. If Kramer was Sandusky and Dragon*Con was Second Mile...then John Scalzi is the Graham Spanier of Science Fiction.

He even has the history of demanding "safe spaces" wherever he goes.

That begs the question: safe for whom?

Anonymous Tin Foil Hatter June 30, 2014 3:14 PM  

I read Dave McGowan's Laurel Canyon piece when it was still free on his "Center for an Informed America" website. Fascinating read, however, the one fact that I checked on he got wrong. He claimed that the guy that the Hell's Angels killed was not seen on film with a gun when the film clearly showed him pulling a revolver.
That and the fact he has the articles on the site that claim that the moon landing was a hoax and the Boston marathon bombing was staged by the government leads me to doubt his credibility.

Anonymous CorkyAgain June 30, 2014 3:24 PM  

I have seen that to often with people in churches, companies, and sports teams. If you believe, most feel you HAVE to justify everything the leadership does.

A related phenomenon is the way atheists like to use the failings of some Christians as a condemnation of Christianity. It's a curious inability to distinguish between the belief and the believer, which results in the failings of the latter being invalidly attributed to the former.

Anonymous takin' a look June 30, 2014 3:32 PM  

" Daniel June 30, 2014 3:06 PM"

An equally as important question I would think is....do these seemingly separate individuals, institutions, orgs, etc. KNOW each other? Filth seems to attract filth. Take the Franklin Scandal, young boys and girls were whored out across country from DC to California. Did foreign dignitaries participate in these orgies? Was Jimmy Savile and the Kray twins operating in the USA as well as in the UK/isle of Jersey with organized crime orgs. such as the mafia and the mishpucha? What about the military? A LOT of child sex trafficking is through military bases.

Anonymous RedJack June 30, 2014 3:39 PM  

Takin'a look.

When the Franklin scandal broke, I was in high near Omaha. There were all kind of rumors in the area about, things, before it started hitting the news.

A big part of the ring operated out of Boys Towns. If the rumors have any truth to them (and honestly I fear they understated things), what Second Mile was doing was on a minor scale compared to what was going on then. And there were some rather big political names involved.

Anonymous RedJack June 30, 2014 3:42 PM  

High school, not high.

Well, not all the time. We burned a lot of ditch weed so I may have had a contact high once or twice.

Blogger Guitar Man June 30, 2014 3:46 PM  

Just so we're clear, there's nothing wrong with an awesome beard. If you have the ability to grow one, you should.

Anonymous takin' a look June 30, 2014 3:53 PM  

"Tin Foil Hatter June 30, 2014 3:14 PM

I read Dave McGowan's Laurel Canyon piece when it was still free on his "Center for an Informed America" website. Fascinating read, however, the one fact that I checked on he got wrong. He claimed that the guy that the Hell's Angels killed was not seen on film with a gun when the film clearly showed him pulling a revolver."

I didn't read TSBTSOLC much, so I can't comment on that specific incident.


"That and the fact he has the articles on the site that claim that the moon landing was a hoax and the Boston marathon bombing was staged by the government leads me to doubt his credibility."

I've seen a lot of people attack the "Moon Hoaxtards" from what I've seen (not just from McGowan's site) the final hurdle seems to be, "what about the Russians? Wouldn't they know?" Which I agree would be hard to explain, the proposal has been a rocket/satellite sent to the moon with signals bounced back and forth from it and NASA/JPL. Mostly, the feeling I get is children stamping their feet and screaming after you've told them santa, the easter bunny and the tooth fairy are not real. Maybe we did go to the moon, I truly don't know either way, the "Moon Hoaxtards" have a lot of damning evidence though. Though of all the screeds, "Wagging the Moon-Doggie" was the most fun to read, A good example:

[Boris: Comrade Ivan, there is terrible news today: the Yankee imperialists have beaten us to the Moon. What should we do?

Ivan: Let's just shit-can our entire space program.

Boris: But comrade, we are so close to success! And we have so much invested in the effort!

Ivan: Fuck it! If we can't be first, we aren't going at all.

Boris: But I beg of you comrade! The moon has so much to teach us, and the Americans will surely not share with us the knowledge they have gained.

Ivan: Nyet!]

As for the Boston Marathon, well, that, Sandy Hook, Aurora, 9/11 , 7/11 and so many others have the "Operation GLaDIO" stink about them and nobody denies "Operation GLaDIO" existed, it's been mostly declassified and it is horrifying to read what NATO operatives did.

Anonymous Krul June 30, 2014 3:55 PM  

Guitar Man - Just so we're clear, there's nothing wrong with an awesome beard. If you have the ability to grow one, you should.

Just what I'd expect from a Guitar Man.

Blogger Guitar Man June 30, 2014 3:57 PM  

Krul, those beards are probably a combined 80 years old now. I grow mine out and shave it a few times a year. One of these days I'll just keep it going for the entire year, but those darned hipsters are pissing me off.

Anonymous Krul June 30, 2014 4:05 PM  

Guitar Man, you're calling ZZ Top "hipsters"? That's a new one on me.

Anonymous Sigyn June 30, 2014 4:06 PM  

Krul, you accidentally reminded me of a Ray Stevens song.

Ray Stevens has an awesome beard, too.

Anonymous Old Fart June 30, 2014 4:07 PM  

I firmly believe there is something seriously amiss with any adult male who voluntarily spends large quantities of time with children who aren't his own.

Ya know, back in my elementary school days, there were still lots of male teachers. Including some who had beards!

Anonymous Krul June 30, 2014 4:08 PM  

Re: Sigyn,

Ray Stevens... Is that the guy who sang "Sittin' up with the dead"?

Blogger Guitar Man June 30, 2014 4:10 PM  

Krul, absolutely not. I was recently mistaken for a hipster while on a project in Brooklyn, primarily because of my beard. It seriously gave me pause and caused me to reconsider my entire life.

Blogger JDC June 30, 2014 4:15 PM  

I firmly believe there is something seriously amiss with any adult male who voluntarily spends large quantities of time with children who aren't his own. Especially if they have beards.

Yes I agree, kids with beards are weird. Sarcasm aside, your statement is dead on. I had to prohibit a guy from working with our youth, and then showed him the door to the church after his constant whining and rabble-rousing after his dismissal. I later discovered that he had tried to schedule some "youth activities" of his own (at his house, over-night). I almost fired our youth pastor after learning that he didn't share this with me - he decided to handle it quietly so as not to embarrass anybody.

He broke a simple rule - an adult should never be alone with a child - under any circumstances. He broke it once - and was warned. A week later I came into the sanctuary and found a young girl sitting on his lap while he was working on the sound system. That was it for him.

IMO too many parents rely too heavily on the goodwill of other adults, even at church - when we know for a fact there are a lot of sick f*****s out there who are just waiting for the right opportunity. The enemy moves around like a prowling lion, always on the look out for someone to devour.

Anonymous Krul June 30, 2014 4:16 PM  

Guitar Man - I was recently mistaken for a hipster while on a project in Brooklyn, primarily because of my beard.

Damn. Did you punch him? That would have cleared up the misunderstanding rather efficiently, I think.

Blogger Guitar Man June 30, 2014 4:17 PM  

JDC, are you a pastor? Because you sound exactly like my pastor. And I love him for that. I'm also a youth leader, and would never let myself be alone with any of the youth.

Blogger Guitar Man June 30, 2014 4:19 PM  

Krul - no. He's a guy from Queens, so to him, anyone with a beard is probably either a redneck or a hipster. He probably figured a hipster is less offensive, but I'd wear the redneck label with honor, even though I'm not much of one.

I just thank God that I don't have to go back to Brooklyn any time soon.

Blogger Guitar Man June 30, 2014 4:24 PM  

JDC, rereading your comment, I think you made it obvious that you are a pastor. The rule is simple in my church: no adult shall be alone with any minor for any reason at any time.

Anonymous Krul June 30, 2014 4:32 PM  

That's admirable of you, Guitar Man, peace is best. Best to just laugh it off, anyhow.

Anonymous Sigyn June 30, 2014 5:06 PM  

Ray Stevens... Is that the guy who sang "Sittin' up with the dead"?

That'd be the guy. Along with a LOT of other songs, including this one.

Anonymous Jeigh Di June 30, 2014 7:30 PM  

Ah, yes. "Once you've renounced any sense of decency it gets easier and easier..."

Anonymous Mercury Apollo Mystery Religions June 30, 2014 8:46 PM  

"what about the Russians? Wouldn't they know?"

This sh*t is covered year after year around here in the threads related to the non-moon landing.

What do the Russian Jewish Communists have in their closet that the West knows about? hmmm??

Next

Anonymous TroperA June 30, 2014 9:40 PM  

Re: Tim Cook:

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/06/28/a-w-k-w-a-r-d-cnbc-panel-goes-quiet-when-apple-ceo-tim-cook-outed-as-gay-by-panel-member/

One of the comments refers to the Apple logo being a homage to pedophile Alan Turing, who committed suicide with a poisoned apple after being caught.


Maddox was right!

Anonymous takin' a look June 30, 2014 10:08 PM  

"Mercury Apollo Mystery Religions June 30, 2014 8:46 PM

"what about the Russians? Wouldn't they know?"

This sh*t is covered year after year around here in the threads related to the non-moon landing.

What do the Russian Jewish Communists have in their closet that the West knows about? hmmm??

Next"

You have a very good point. If the Western World at large ever found out about, say, Lazar Kaganovich, Lampshades, soap and ovens would seem like a nun's picnic.

Anonymous Daniel June 30, 2014 10:37 PM  

I would note that last month's NamBULA SFWA special guest, Frank M. Robinson was one of pederast Harvey Milk's closest advisors and his speechwriter.

He died today.

That's one way to keep the conspiracy silent.

Anonymous The other skeptic June 30, 2014 10:44 PM  

Where are the Quantum Mortis screen savers?

Anonymous Laz June 30, 2014 11:25 PM  

"You normally come across as calm and methodical..."

with a little bit of holier-than-thou ;)

Anonymous Laz June 30, 2014 11:28 PM  

RedJack: "It would be better if they were tied to a mill stone and thrown into the sea."

And miss out on all the good the mill stone could/would do?

" Same with public schools, the Girl Scouts, and the SFWA."

No hope for the Boy Scouts?

Anonymous Kiddy D. June 30, 2014 11:31 PM  

I think it is because you discriminate, Vox. Ed Kramer didn't discriminate. Boy, girl, black, white, Jewish, Christian, he would diddle any of them. True Marcusian polymorphic perversity.

Anonymous Big Bill June 30, 2014 11:48 PM  

I seem to recall the ADL staying out of the Kramer squabble. They have been having their own problems with rampant rabbi kiddy-diddling in recent years (Google "Failed Messiah") and are a bit more circumspect these days. This is, I expect, more a case of white liberals doing their sanctimonious moral preening, like that Boston Waxman guy hammering the US government a few days ago for giving its helicopters Indian names (Apache, Kiowa, Chinook, etc.). The Indians don't care, so he had to "care" for them. Similarly, I don't think the ADL really cared about Kramer, either, so the lefty SFWA folks had to "care" for them.

Anonymous The other skeptic June 30, 2014 11:53 PM  

It's OK, the Democrats approve of molesting children so it's no big deal if most of the SFWA are child molesters.

Anonymous rho July 01, 2014 12:50 AM  

Huh. Octavia Butler...of Fledgling fame? Yeah, the one about the alien adolescent who appears to be a 10-year old black girl...who seduces adult human beings into sex.

I don't think Butler is anything like a pedophile. I'd put decent odds on her never having had sex at all.

That said, now I wonder why the SFWA doesn't promote Butler more. She's a successful black woman sci-fi writer. I read Xenogenesis way back in high school. As I recall, I liked it. Why isn't she feted like MZB?

Blogger Zimri July 01, 2014 1:07 AM  

My sole understanding of Butler is when she appeared on the "Dune" miniseries roundtable (on the DVD set). She was not a "savage", not even half a savage; she was the most sober person on stage.

Put the white lefty blowhards up there to shame, she did.

As for "Fledgling" - I didn't read it, as aforementioned, and the 10 year old angle is weird to say the least; but I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt. It's possible she was taking arrow-shots at what she saw in her circles, which was SF fandom. As you describe it, the protagonist is the girl, not the men. If Butler were a paedophile herself she'd have made the protagonist a 40 year old "girl" and had her hit on the kids.

Anonymous Traumatized Eagle Scout July 01, 2014 1:09 AM  

No hope for the Boy Scouts?

You mean scouting for boys, by Sir Robert?
I'm sure he did.

Anonymous Daniel July 01, 2014 2:08 AM  

It isn't a question of benefit of the doubt. It is a question of the SFWA collapsing in on itself because it has destroyed any metric by which to determine membership. If it were a professional membership guild (i.e. a guild of professional writers as determined by a specific income level or measure of practice) it would never have seen the need to purge its members over thoughts expressed.

However, the instant it decided it was a social-affinity group (by purging membership for its ideas, by attacking potential member-employers for their business practices, by taking stances on social issues, and defending the uncivil) was the instant its members' ideas became important to scrutinize.

If their recent special guests were close political advisers to pederasts (Robinson), if their books portray a child soliciting and enjoying sex (Butler), if they tortured their own children (MZB), if they covered up for known pedophiles (McCaffery), if they admitted in interviews to molesting children (Clarke) or simply included ambiguous pedophilic themes in their work (former member Anthony)...it doesn't matter. The SFWA needs to draw a hard line and keep it.

Otherwise, they are exactly what they appear to have been over the last 50 years: a criminal front for child abuse rings. The SFWA has a known and acknowledged victim count of more than 30 children trafficked (and that's only going off of the acknowledged victims of Breen, MZB and Kramer). Remember: they are not a guild of professional writers. They are an affinity group.

More importantly (to them), they have no way to maintain membership except as a sort of vanity press: pay your dues and speak "left wing" and enjoy all the non-existent, non-recognized benefits of membership of a group that can merely meekly claim "Heinlein once slept here," while truly professional writers leave that toxic organization in droves.

The point is that McCreepy, McRapey, the Full Savage, the Poppinette, Marion "The Pliers" Zimmer Bradley, SAMBLA Delany, Ed "The Dragon Con Artist" Kramer and their club have gone to the wall for child rape. They stand for it. They celebrate it when they can and cover it up when they must. They have either hijacked an organization or built it that way (an organization that still lists, mind you, very public rejecters of it like John C. Wright in their online directory) for reasons that any sane person can only question until the answers start coming.

Anonymous Daniel July 01, 2014 2:19 AM  

The longer the SFWA waits to address this matter in full...the worse it gets for them. But the fact is, they may already realize that their website may end up with this in their future already, so they may as well stall for as long as possible and pretend as if there is no music to face.

It is too bad really. Even in these last days and hours, they could do the right thing, and that would make a lot of difference to the victims, and could even potentially spare the organization. They won't do that, so they are just going to go all in with the molesters.

Anonymous Anonymous July 01, 2014 10:38 AM  

LP999

Nein and never. The abuse said above is unlawful, deviant and utterly indefensible.

We make choices; turning away from the light, truth and honor for depravity. Or we choose truth, light, logic, honor, etc.

Anonymous See Spot Run July 02, 2014 1:32 AM  

Did the SFWA change the entire design of their bio pages, when they took down Kramer's page? Because the font and color of some of the lettering and the design of your supposed 'snapshot' of his page differs in a lot of details than all of the other bio pages currently on their site.

Anonymous SumDood July 02, 2014 11:06 AM  

Krul,

My memory was of reading that Turing was involved with a "teenager".

After checking, I see that the person in question was nineteen which is plenty old enough for informed consent. So, my characterization was wrong, and unfair to Turing.

Turing got a raw deal.

Anonymous Bobby Trosclair July 03, 2014 1:29 PM  

Coincidentally, I read a review today of one of Piers Anthony's early potboilers on the "Glorious Trash" blog (devoted to paperback pulp novels) and find this:

"For example, we’ll recall how in the end of that fifth volume Striker and Dulce came upon a tribe of headhunters in the Amazon, and how these people were greatly impressed by Striker’s judo skills. In one of these dream sequences, we see that the tribe chief insisted that Striker sleep with his private harem of five women. A very explicit sex scene ensues, Striker finding out at the last moment that he’s expected to have sex with all five, one after another, or he might be killed.

"And just when Striker’s spirits are flagging, so to speak, that mystical ki power hits him and he’s ready for action again! This sequence is very lurid and exploitative, with the last girl in the harem a prepubscent virgin! It’s just kind of, oh…off-putting. Oh, and afterwards, snapped out of his ki-madness thanks to the arrival of Dulce (who takes Striker’s mass-screwing in stride, even though at the beginning of the scene Striker was afraid to sleep with the harem, for fear of invoking a jealous Dulce’s wrath), Striker looks upon the harem and sees that the first four women are in reality all fat, old, and ugly…and he has to inform us how the child member has been harmed by his member (which we’re further informed is “in proportion” to Striker’s body, but still damn huge when compared to these jungle Indians)."

I don't know if Anthony is/was an SFWA member, but he sure has a lot of pedophiliac scenes in his books.

Anonymous Bobby Trosclair July 03, 2014 1:30 PM  

Sorry, forgot to post the link: http://glorioustrash.blogspot.com/2014/07/jason-striker-6-curse-of-ninja.html

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