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Thursday, March 16, 2017

The mother of all rhetoric

Remember, the most effective rhetoric is founded in truth. Which helps explain why "fake American" is so powerful. They're not Americans in any non-paperwork sense, and they know it:
So I am talking with one of my cuck friends that is a Facebook shill reposting a bunch of Huffington articles. I was talking to him about his kids and school and which school they are going to attend because they go to private schools. He starts talking shit about Trump and Betsy DeVos and how they are going to ruin the school systems. And I say, "well you made your decision to go to private schools long before Trump and DeVos had any influence." He chuckles sheepishly and says the public schools in his area suck.

So I give him a little shit and say, "Oh yeah, so you are all about open borders as long as those kids don't go to the same schools as your kids."

AND THEN I SAY THE MAGIC WORDS: "Fake American"

And this guy that I knew and loved absolutely loses his shit on me. I am talking epic meltdown. I thought at one point he was literally going to attack me.

I don't know what it is with the left and that label "fake." They really really hate it. I mean #fakenews is driving them f-ing insane.

So I walked away from that conversation not really realizing I had stumbled onto something. I told my based wife and she laughed at his meltdown. Then, I told my cucked mother-in-law, who I also have a really good relationship with, and she got very upset over that term "fake." "You can't just throw that word around."

Huh? So this got me scratching my head. I don't watch CNN so maybe somehow they've poisoned the minds of the masses to believe that "fake" is an evil word.

So I started dropping the label "fake American" every chance I got when I knew I was talking to a leftie, in a very casual sarcastic joking manner. And you know what? Sure as shit, each and every one of them had a strong visceral response - they were TRIGGERED!
This is excellent rhetoric for immigrants, the Left, and cucks alike. The former because they know that they are not truly Americans, even if they were born in Portugal, and the latter pair because they know their ideologies and actions are diametrically opposed to the interests of genuine Americans.

It's also why "you have to go back" is such powerful rhetoric. Not-Americans are genuinely afraid, and with good reason, that eventually they will be called upon to do so. Whereas, in the case of disloyal Americans, they are afraid they will not be permitted entry into the American Redoubt when the collapse occurs and the vicious struggle for territory begins.

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174 Comments:

Anonymous Dr. Icicle Lexus March 16, 2017 4:02 PM  

Fake eh? Their shit is retarded. They have to go back.

Kick ass, kick ass.

Blogger roundeye March 16, 2017 4:08 PM  

I like telling Ulster Protestants they have to go back. So much fun.

Blogger Koanic March 16, 2017 4:14 PM  

It's because rabbit identity depends on inclusion by default.

Communists are fake humans. He who subscribes to the labor theory of value shall not eat.

Anonymous Tanjil Bren March 16, 2017 4:15 PM  

"I don't know what it is with the left and that label "fake." They really really hate it."

Precisely because they know it's true.

It's a key reason virtually every leftist I know insists on pushing anti-right rhetoric at every opportunity and happily ruining social gatherings when they meet a dissenting view (mine).

These (particular) people are constantly looking for validation from others.

And that's because they *know* their precious mindset is based on a teetering tower of bullshit sustained by a tissue of lies.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother March 16, 2017 4:17 PM  

This makes sense. I've read that hipsters do what they do in a desperate quest for authenticity. Hence the stupid shit they do. If your life's goal is authenticity, being called fake would really dig at you deep down.

Anonymous Icicle March 16, 2017 4:19 PM  

All life begins with Nu and ends with Nu. This is the truth! This is my belief! ...At least for now Koanic.

Blogger Peter Jackson March 16, 2017 4:21 PM  

I don't understand how a single child of an illegal gets admitted to public school, let alone entire school systems being taken over by them.

Blogger Peter Jackson March 16, 2017 4:23 PM  

I've had to unfollow about half my FB friends since November since they would constantly "like" and post fake-news propaganda about Trump.

Blogger tz March 16, 2017 4:32 PM  

The new F-Bomb. Go fake yourself!
WTF - what the fake?...
Heck!, darn!, fake!

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr March 16, 2017 4:34 PM  

"...they are afraid they will not be permitted entry into the American Redoubt when the collapse occurs..."

Actually, we're going to do our best to Make America Great Again. No collapse...and the American Redoubt is ALL the current territory.

Plus whatever else we choose to add. Baja California, perhaps. Or the Moon.

However, the Leftists will not be permitted entry. :-)

Blogger weka March 16, 2017 4:36 PM  

Please. Those of us ilk who ain't American are bloody proud of it.

I hates the fake Maori. If your ancestors were not around during the land wars, you have no skin in that game.

John Key is, of course, a Fake NZer.

Blogger Thanks, J. March 16, 2017 4:38 PM  

That's hilarious and so many can relate. I think the triggerings, meltdowns, freak outs in real life, also are a result of brainwashing, their education and media, years of social conditioning. People are "trained" to have these outbursts when another person crosses the line, and the lines have gotten pushed further and further out into left field. You're a threat, what you're telling them is, because they know on some level you're at least onto something, and could cause their "GoodWhite", progressive, Cult of Diversity, belief system to weaken or go into chaos. And that is troubling for them because they invested so much energy and time in being that GoodWhite that deserves the good white schools for their kids, etc., etc. To lose social status and be like the bad white trash, the Trump supporter losers, bigots, these people worked their whole lives to be above that, from listening to the hip music that fly over country bumpkins don't get, loving the smug, snarkmeister T.V. liberal comedian propagandists, etc. How cruel it could feel that somebody is there teasing them with hatefacts and effortlessly pointing out that the GoodWhite is hopelessly full of crap, a social signalling poser spouting off B.S. to maintain status in the social hierarchy and believing sending Muffing Post articles and devotion to GoodWhite beliefs means they are good.

Blogger Silly But True March 16, 2017 4:41 PM  

@Peter Jackson:
Another SCOTUS gift: Plyler v. Doe (1982)

(aka an "Al Capone IRS" ruling: even if illegal, obligation doesn't go away).
Ruling was undocumented children and young adults have the same right to attend public primary and secondary schools as do U.S. citizens and permanent residents. Like other children, undocumented students are obliged under state law to attend school until they reach a mandated age.

As a result of the Plyler ruling, public schools may not:
Deny admission to a student during initial enrollment or at any other time on the basis of undocumented status.
Treat a student differently to determine residency.
Engage in any practices to "chill" the right of access to school.
Require students or parents to disclose or document their immigration status.
Make inquiries of students or parents that may expose their undocumented status.
Require social security numbers from all students, as this may expose undocumented status.
Students without social security numbers should be assigned a number generated by the school. Adults without social security numbers who are applying for a free lunch and/or breakfast program on behalf of a student need only indicate on the application that they do not have a social security number.

Also changes in the F-1 (Student) Visa Program do not alter the Plyler obligations to undocumented children. These changes apply only to students who apply for a student visa from outside the U.S.

Finally, SCOTUS also sternly reminded school personnel -- especially building principals and those involved with student intake activities -- that they have no legal obligation to enforce U.S. immigration laws.

Essentialy this was a massive unfunded mandate foisted on States by Judiciary.

Next then were all the requirements imposing EASL / native language obligations onschool systems after mass influx of nonAmericans entered system.

Blogger Peter Jackson March 16, 2017 4:44 PM  

Deny admission to a student during initial enrollment or at any other time on the basis of undocumented status.

Thanks for the background.

Sounds like we need a constitutional amendment (passed by a convention of states) to reverse this nonsense.

Anonymous arw March 16, 2017 4:45 PM  

"Fake American" is perfect because literally every person you talk yo will know/feel instantly what you're talking about. When it comes to rhetoric, your listener's reaction is the best judge of its effectiveness.

Anonymous Icicle March 16, 2017 4:47 PM  

Fake Banks. Fake Wall Street. Fake Marriage.

Anonymous Icicle March 16, 2017 4:51 PM  

Next then were all the requirements imposing EASL / native language obligations onschool systems after mass influx of nonAmericans entered system.

I just can't even believe we don't have the proper school supplies in Yucatec Mayan yet in 2017. How racist are we?

Anonymous CloseHauled March 16, 2017 4:52 PM  

@8 Peter "I've had to unfollow about half my FB friends since November since they would constantly "like" and post fake-news propaganda about Trump."

I recently unfollowed a woman friend on facebook because she posted that 26K psychiatrists think Trump is insane and then all her Cali friends are commenting that "he really is insane. literally." They all believe Trump is a Russian agent. I posted that she was "literally stupid if she believed" and then de-friended her a couple hours later after I let her respond.

Arrested emotional development.

A great majority of lefties I know have the emotional development of a teenager while possessing book smarts. No internal strength or fortitude.

They have the fear of being outcast like teenagers do and have the fear of not being part of the in-group. And the in-group is the one that Hollywood and MSM tell them it is.

Being called "fake" is an scary insult when you are still emotionally a teenager.

Blogger mark auld March 16, 2017 4:52 PM  

I love my fake news , my friends are fake Jews , I sing dem fake blues,and since I'm a GOOD white,I've paid my fake dues.

Blogger mark auld March 16, 2017 4:53 PM  

I love my fake news , my friends are fake Jews , I sing dem fake blues,and since I'm a GOOD white,I've paid my fake dues.

Blogger Sagramore March 16, 2017 4:53 PM  

Conversely, "Amway" is a great counter to DeVos.

Anonymous Mark Auld March 16, 2017 4:55 PM  

But I repeat myself...

Blogger Sagramore March 16, 2017 5:00 PM  

Being called "fake" is an scary insult when you are still emotionally a teenager.

The Pink SF fan I know (so much so her online name is named after an Anne McCaffrey book) was actually shocked when I called her out on her BS recently. I guess she forgot she told me herself she was a chameleon about ten years ago. Heh.

Blogger James Dixon March 16, 2017 5:02 PM  

> Conversely, "Amway" is a great counter to DeVos.

Only is you're an Aspie.

Blogger James Dixon March 16, 2017 5:07 PM  

> The Pink SF fan I know (so much so her online name is named after an Anne McCaffrey book)...

If she's also a feminist, you should make it a point to tell you how much you liked the dragon mating scene in DragonFlight. That's almost certain to trigger her.

Anonymous Stryker4570 March 16, 2017 5:10 PM  

If you participate in women's protests sponsored and organized by proponents of Sharia law, you are a #FakeFeminist

Oh..this is going to be good

Anonymous Opus March 16, 2017 5:12 PM  

When it comes to foreigners I am always happy to see them... and equally happy to see the back of them.

Blogger Silly But True March 16, 2017 5:12 PM  

@Peter Jackson;
This is the double edge that leftists have been slicibg away with.

Go to AZ and Arpaio. With leftist Executive in office, fed hammer was brought down on States with leftist judges' blessings -- even to point of charging sheriffs with civil rights crimes for trying to enforce immigration law.

It was solely a matter of fed. govt and fed. govt only.

Now, leftists lose power in Executive and we see how fast States -- and all sorts of parties outside of the fed. govt -- get interests in enforcing immigration law.

The judicial hypocrisy has been laid bare.

Anonymous Icicle March 16, 2017 5:15 PM  

The judicial hypocrisy has been laid bare.

You're being too kind here.

Anonymous XanthanGun March 16, 2017 5:15 PM  

@16

"Fake Marriage"

Bingo. So it shall henceforth be known.

Blogger Durandel Almiras March 16, 2017 5:16 PM  

@16 - "Fake Marriage" is another way to trigger lefties when discussing their pet homosexuals. As for the discussion of trans peoples, "play pretend" has always been my go to, but I'm going to use Fake Men and Fake Women from now on. Heck, I'll just use Fake Men when talking about low t Leftist males and Fake Women when talking about man-jawed feminist shrews.

Blogger Silly But True March 16, 2017 5:17 PM  

@James Dixon:
"If she's also a feminist, you should make it a point to tell you how much you liked the dragon mating scene in DragonFlight."

I think Dragonflight usually gets reverently described as a "semenal classic."

Blogger Durandel Almiras March 16, 2017 5:18 PM  

@28 We need to go further than that. What has been laid bare is that the Judiciary of this country is stepping outside of it's bounds and legislating from the bench. That needs to end permanently.

Anonymous mark in orlando March 16, 2017 5:18 PM  

the Bowie song "Young American" works great with the new title "Fake American"!

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr March 16, 2017 5:24 PM  

@33: I'm waiting for Trump to declare a court in rebellion against the United States...and send in the Marines to suppress it with copious amounts of force.

Same treatment for the "sanctuary cities". Declaration of rebellion, followed by military action. Don't even ASK the courts...just be prepared to deal with legalistic whining by administering Excedrin Headache 5.56.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd March 16, 2017 5:27 PM  

Is it still worth it? I'm
Thinking about getting back on Facebook to connect with family, though I don't want any political discussions and I have no problem denying friends posts into my newsfeed.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd March 16, 2017 5:34 PM  

You are brilliant at summarizing it!

I also think cluster B personality disorders, like Narcissistic Personality Disorder, play a role.

Their identities are fake much of the time, as are their claims to being more intelligent than the average person.
You expose them, even if just to themselves, and reveal the bullied, disarmed, and marooned crawdad spirit within. Hence the violent reaction.

Blogger Peter Jackson March 16, 2017 5:57 PM  

Fake Liberty.

Anonymous Crew March 16, 2017 5:57 PM  

Someone seems to have created a picture of a Fake American already:

http://www.unz.com/isteve/everybody-hates-samuel-l-jackson-for-being-pro-african-american-rather-than-just-anti-white/#comment-1802418

Blogger frigger611 March 16, 2017 6:04 PM  

I got off facebook about 5 years ago. Got tired of the death threats from "friends." Especially last time the threat came from a guy from the "No H8" group. Riiiight...

My English friends refer to other English who move to America as "Plastic Seppos"

(Seppo = Septic, derived from the rhyming slang of Septic Tank = Yank)

The term drives them nuts too, I should have paid more attention!

Blogger Otto Lamp March 16, 2017 6:05 PM  

Fake protestors
Fake caring / fake concern
fake indignation

Yea, a lot can be done with this.

Anonymous BBGKB March 16, 2017 6:12 PM  

I guess they are used to being called traitors.

Blogger tuberman March 16, 2017 6:18 PM  

Cucked churches = FAKE CHURCH!

Anonymous The Smokin Great Great Wall March 16, 2017 6:18 PM  

I recently discovered that calling women, who were purposely not feminine, "trans" is also rhetorical gold.

Anonymous Jack Murphy March 16, 2017 6:22 PM  

Hello,
I know this is off topic, forgive me. I had a question I was wondering the commenters might like to answer.

When Christian missionaries set out to convert the world, what were their beliefs and intentions? Did they believe the heathens could be converted to the christian way of life or was it simply an attempt to save their soul? Or were there other motivations I'm not considering? Thank you,
Jack

Anonymous Grayman March 16, 2017 6:23 PM  

Blacks in the US want to be "African American"?..... fake American, go back to Africa if you're so proud

Anonymous BBGKB March 16, 2017 6:25 PM  

45-Jack check out the book "The missionaries"

https://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/06/reviews-of-missionaries.html

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor March 16, 2017 6:33 PM  

Fake children

Anonymous Deplorable Winning March 16, 2017 6:42 PM  

mark in orlando wrote:the Bowie song "Young American" works great with the new title "Fake American"!

Uh oh, looks like you are correct. I don't even want to touch this one. Steve? Andrew? Weird Al?

http://www.metrolyrics.com/young-americans-lyrics-david-bowie.html

They pulled in just behind the bridge
He lays her down, he frowns
Gee my life's a funny thing, am I still too young?
He kissed her then and there
She took his ring, took his babies
It took him minutes, took her nowhere
Heaven knows, she'd have taken anything, but

All night
She wants the young American...

Anonymous Icicle March 16, 2017 6:45 PM  

BBW?

Fake Labels.

Blogger Andrew Taylor March 16, 2017 6:47 PM  

@ 10 "Or the Moon." I think we've identified the location of our future white ethnostate.

Blogger Eric Mueller March 16, 2017 6:55 PM  

I saw something on Daily Stormer last week where Jake Tapper's 7 year old calls him "Fake News" when he gets mad at him.

My stepson has been playing with some children next door. I'm pretty sure they're illegals. There are way more people living in that house than should be allowed by code. These boys were saying things yesterday about racism (I guess they saw me in one of my Trump shirts). I told him the next time they call him a racist, tell them "You have to go back". Watch the sparks fly.

I told him alternately to stop playing with them. No good can come from that.

Blogger Durandel Almiras March 16, 2017 7:00 PM  

@45 - Jack, they were following Christ's orders, to preach to all nations. Christ never specified what percentages of each nation would actually get with the program though. So some assumed many would convert. Others likely saw that getting 1% would be considered lucky.

But to be a missionary to far off lands, you need to be both driven, courageous, and optimistic. Missionary work is not work I'd recommend to the cynical, pessimistic or pragmatic.

Blogger Phillip George March 16, 2017 7:03 PM  

fake was indeed a great find.

The best bit of rhetoric I've read this month also includes the Meme "Islamic Replacement Theology"

It is perfect. Musselmen presume they are 'allah's' chosen people who must occupy the land. That includes every square inch of everywhere 'land'. It includes your land.

This is the slow motion train wreck. This is your coming war./

Anonymous Ahmad ibn Fadhlan March 16, 2017 7:03 PM  

I should like to call attention to a story that was almost as good, later in the linked thread:

"Highjacking a highly rated comment for a quick story time relevant to the OP:

My brother-in-law and his wife are both super liberal. They have always been respectful towards me but were Hillary voters and have expressed their distaste for Trump with the usual buzzwords (racist, sexist, etc.)

They have their daughter in a private school. On our last visit over there we were going out to get food and we passed a school that was about a block from their house. Being the inciteful asshole that I am I asked their daughter "Hey, is that your school?" Without missing a beat she goes, "No, mom and dad said there are too many kids there that don't speak English."

The best (worst?) part was they punished her. For telling the truth. About a decision they made. Because of how embarrassed they were...."

Religious fanatics are like this all over the world. But... anyone care to wager that their girl now collects Rare Pepe's in her spare time?

Blogger Gospace March 16, 2017 7:07 PM  

Jack Murphy March 16, 2017 6:22 PM

When Christian missionaries set out to convert the world, what were their beliefs and intentions? Did they believe the heathens could be converted to the christian way of life or was it simply an attempt to save their soul? Or were there other motivations I'm not considering? Thank you,


The goal of an individual missionary has always been to convert the heathens to a Christian way of life to save their souls. The motives of the people who send the missionaries include those, but may incorporate other motivations.

Blogger Durandel Almiras March 16, 2017 7:07 PM  

@55 - Hope you called out the parents on their bad parenting, punishing their child for speaking the truth and punishing her for their own decision.

Blogger Silly But True March 16, 2017 7:10 PM  

If his low t or her fake orgasms were an indication, I'm surprised Jake Tapper's wife's child even exists at all.

Anonymous Avalanche March 16, 2017 7:13 PM  

@25 "If she's also a feminist, you should make it a point to tell you how much you liked the dragon mating scene in DragonFlight. That's almost certain to trigger her."

That's almost certain to arouse her.

FIFY.

Blogger Lazarus March 16, 2017 7:14 PM  

Did anybody hear about the Renegade Jew controversy involving David Horowitz and Billie Kristol? Stems from a Breitbart article of May 2016

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/05/15/bill-kristol-republican-spoiler-renegade-jew/


Fake American and Renegade Jew are similar concepts.

A Jew is a renegade when he betrays critical Jewish interests. A Fake American betrays critical American interests.

Betrayal is still a serious charge, apparently.

Blogger Dirk Manly March 16, 2017 7:15 PM  

Most lefties don't even have book smarts, or else they would realize that the ONLY way to mest modern levels of energy needs are with carbon-fuels or nuclear. Even a 100% efficient solar panel is a joke. You certainly can't power a major city with the thongs unless the plan is to literally cover the entire rest of the state with mirrors and/or solar collecters.

Blogger Lazarus March 16, 2017 7:16 PM  

Gospace wrote:The motives of the people who send the missionaries include those, but may incorporate other motivations.

Like finding new markets to sell Firewater to.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd March 16, 2017 7:17 PM  

Jack Murphy wrote:When Christian missionaries set out to convert the world, what were their beliefs and intentions? Did they believe the heathens could be converted to the christian way of life or was it simply an attempt to save their soul? Or were there other motivations I'm not considering?

Can't speak for missionaries or my fellow Christians, but we know Jesus told us to go and make disciples of all nations.

There is no reason to think that any nation is going to have a large percentage of disciples. It is God's will that everyone be saved, but we know that many won't accept salvation.

There is no reason to think that we are going to make other nations like our nation in the process of making disciples, and there is no commission to accomplish that. Anyone who imagines that _they_ must become like _us_ when they become Christian is deluded.

Blogger Dirk Manly March 16, 2017 7:19 PM  

And brit Bowie never really understood America.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 16, 2017 7:19 PM  

{{{Americans}}}

Anonymous Icicle March 16, 2017 7:20 PM  

Eat carbs and follow the Food Pyramid. Fake Nutritional Information.

Blogger Lazarus March 16, 2017 7:21 PM  

Phillip George wrote:Islamic Replacement Theology"

Excellent.

Blogger Robert What? March 16, 2017 7:21 PM  

"you have to go back"

My ancestors came from Romania in the late 1800s. The place they came from doesn't even exist anymore, so where do I go back to? And before I go back I'd like a refund of all the taxes I paid in, thank you very much.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd March 16, 2017 7:25 PM  

Robert What? wrote:My ancestors came from Romania in the late 1800s. The place they came from doesn't even exist anymore, so where do I go back to? And before I go back I'd like a refund of all the taxes I paid in, thank you very much.

I think you've had this discussion here before. I'll just summarize the several replies you're going to get:

* This isn't about you.
* We don't care.

Blogger Dirk Manly March 16, 2017 7:26 PM  

I'm sure the grid coordinates are still there.

(Ducking and running for cover.....)

Anonymous Jack Murphy March 16, 2017 7:26 PM  

Thank you for the comments.

"Can't speak for missionaries or my fellow Christians, but we know Jesus told us to go and make disciples of all nations."

What does disciple mean in this context? Is it similar to adherent?

If it is God's will that all are to be saved, does that mean all are capable of salvation?

Blogger ace March 16, 2017 7:30 PM  

arw wrote:"Fake American" is perfect because literally every person you talk yo will know/feel instantly what you're talking about. When it comes to rhetoric, your listener's reaction is the best judge of its effectiveness.

I bet that's the tripwire. When you say fake American your mark instantly knows who you are talking about. You incepted them. In the aftermath they try to expurgate the sin by attacking you.

One of the nice things about being alt-right is having nature on your side. We don't have to convince anyone of anything novel. Only to stop denying what they already know.

Anonymous Gen. Kong March 16, 2017 7:31 PM  

Icicle wrote:Fake Banks. Fake Wall Street. Fake Marriage.

I think I noted this the other day. We truly live in a synthetic age - the age of fake. There's (((fake news))), (((fake money))), (((fake culture))), fake edumacayshun, fake laws, fake churches (the best of which worship the Judeo-Christ - a fake Christ), a fake pope, fake virtue (signaling), fake English, fake Germans, fake Irish, Danes, Swedes, etc. and of course fake Americans. Hell we even have a damned fake Indian as Incitatus from Massachusetts: Elizabeth Warren, Princess Fauxchahontas of the Cigar-Store Nation. There was the Stone Age, the Bronze Age, the Iron Age and now - the Plastic Age.

Anonymous Avalanche March 16, 2017 7:42 PM  

@57 "punishing their child for speaking the truth and punishing her for their own decision."

Reminds me of the time I poleaxed a liberal at the Y. She was cooing about how her darling 4-yr-old son was doing so well in school, and 'oh, they were doing a class on racism,' and they carefully taught him that 'there was NO DIFFERENCE between him and the black kids' in his (carefully white, with a few die-verse examples on hand) school.

"Oh," says I. "I think that's a VERY bad thing.What you're doing is harming your son!" (Immediate stunned horrified look on her face.)

"Your little boy can completely see with his own eyes that there is most certainly a difference -- in just skin color alone, if not also behavior and speech patterns and a whole raft of characteristics! And you've created a real problem for him: because what he SEES is something you tell him IS NOT THERE... He's just four! When mommy and daddy tell him something, he's going to want to believe it -- but he can SEE that he is not like the black kids and they're not like him!

"You are TEACHING him to deny the evidence of his own eyes, to LIE to himself about the reality he actually, physically sees! That's just cruel, to confuse such a young child like that!

"Have a nice day, buh-bye."

Anonymous Wraithburn March 16, 2017 7:45 PM  

@71

A disciple is a follower of Jesus. Someone who believes He speaks the truth, and follows His teachings. You can use Strong's Concordance to look up the places it's used in the Bible. Biblehub has an online concordance as well: http://biblehub.com/topical/d/disciple.htm#cnc

That's the point of the gospel, and the Law leading up to it. The Law shows us how perfect God is, and that He cannot tolerate imperfection with Him. All have fallen short of the Glory of God. So how can we solve this conflict? It's impossible for man, but with God, all things are possible. Salvation comes from the blood sacrifice of Jesus as a substitute for our sins. Our shortcomings are not attributed to us, if only we accept this gift.

To answer your question, anyone can accept a gift. Will everyone do so? No

Anonymous Gen. Kong March 16, 2017 7:45 PM  

The judicial hypocrisy has been laid bare.

It's not actually hypocrisy except to those outside of the leftoid bubble, to whom they continually lie. It's really an agenda, which boils down to this: YT must die. All "law" is bent to serve the agenda, only rarely admitted to in the past, but now more or less out in the open. They'd better hope that the God-Emperor is not given an opportunity to impose martial law in one of their enclaves of fake America. It would be a superb opportunity to remove them permanently from the judiciary.

Anonymous Basket of Deplorables March 16, 2017 7:50 PM  

I had liked, but not loved, 'Paperwork American'....'Fake American' has the zing that Paperwork was missing.

Fake Americans don't get to define who Real Americans are.

Blogger Mr. Bee March 16, 2017 7:51 PM  

Of course they're insecure with being "American". Why else would they label everything they don't like as "unamerican", thereby showing how "American" they are. E.G.: Norman Lear's "People for the American Way" whose policies can be unambiguously characterized as subversive to American values.

Anonymous Jack Murphy March 16, 2017 7:54 PM  

Thank you, Wraithburn.

Do you think this ability to accept Christianity includes accepting, respecting, and participating in the culture that Christianity produces?

Thanks,
Jack

Blogger VD March 16, 2017 7:55 PM  

My ancestors came from Romania in the late 1800s. The place they came from doesn't even exist anymore, so where do I go back to? And before I go back I'd like a refund of all the taxes I paid in, thank you very much.

We don't care.

It's not about you.

You still have to go back.

Blogger Silly But True March 16, 2017 7:55 PM  

This is why they make fun of patriotic Americans and present expressions of patriotism as faked nationalism on level of literal Hitler Nazis.

Blogger Crusader Corim March 16, 2017 8:02 PM  

My ancestors came in the Godspeed.

My country.

Get out, fake Americans.

Blogger American Spartan March 16, 2017 8:05 PM  

Peter Jackson wrote:Deny admission to a student during initial enrollment or at any other time on the basis of undocumented status.

Thanks for the background.

Sounds like we need a constitutional amendment (passed by a convention of states) to reverse this nonsense.


Nope, Congress just needs to pass a law and the SCOTUS just agrees to agree with it or else.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 16, 2017 8:05 PM  

Fake humanitarians always virtue signaling with Fake feelings about Fake news.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy March 16, 2017 8:15 PM  

Robert What? wrote:My ancestors came from Romania in the late 1800s. The place they came from doesn't even exist anymore, so where do I go back to?
Since you take every opportunity you can to remind us that you self-identify as Fake-American, clearly You Have To Go Back.

If you have no place to go back to, sucks to be you. Maybe you should have thought about that before you sided with the enemy.

Blogger Beau March 16, 2017 8:18 PM  

By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. Hebrews 11:8-10

I'm not going back. I'm going forward.

Anonymous Wraithburn March 16, 2017 8:25 PM  

Looks like Brave still eats comments here :/

Anyway, I'm happy to answer Jack.

Paul touches on this in his Epistles I think. He rebukes the judaizers and their attempts to get new believers to follow the jewish laws, explaining we have freedom in Christ. BUT, Paul then notes that if we are truly children of God, we will want to be like our Father. And James says that faith without works is dead.

As Christians, we are born again into God's tribe. Our Patriarch is our example of how we should be and it becomes pretty easy to see who's failing but struggling onwards, and who's playacting. Christianity is I think the only truly "propositional nation" if you'll pardon the poor analogy. You believe, and you are. But you never truly believed if you didn't produce fruit.

Blogger tz March 16, 2017 8:29 PM  

Special Snowfakes.
Fakebian Socialism.

As to Christian missionaries / evangelists, it is to save souls, to convert them to Christ, and if converted they will stop sinning, but it won't turn them into Aristotles, Aquinasses, Augustines, or Marcus Aureliuses.

They will still express Christianity, but through the lens of their culture and history and even language. Christ redeems everything, doesn't homogenize anything. We are all UNIQUE creatures.

Blogger pyrrhus March 16, 2017 8:39 PM  

O/T You can't make this stuff up. Decision was written before the hearing...http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/leftist-judge-produces-43-page-decision-within-2-hours-hearing-states-request-block-trump-refugee-ban/

Blogger tz March 16, 2017 8:42 PM  

Fed Reserve notes: Fake Money.

The place they came from doesn't even exist anymore - How so? is it at the bottom of a huge man-made lake? It didn't have GPS coordinates?

Maybe you can "pass", and if you do it well enough no one will throw you out.

Do you think this ability to accept Christianity includes accepting, respecting, and participating in the culture that Christianity produces?

To extend, Christianity does NOT PRODUCE a culture, it REDEEMS an existing one. A redeemed English culture (and do read their bloody history) will be different from a redeemed Italian, Polish, Russian, or Portuguese culture. Even more different for Asia and Africa, or Aborigines including Native Americans.

Nothing in the Gospels or the Bible says for Hunter-Gatherers to become complex farmers and mechanics, or vice-versa.

All it says is love God and Neighbor, which includes not Hurting, Stealing, Lying, or sex outside of marriage.

I don't know what a dozen centuries of a Christianized Japan would look like but it wouldn't like America - and might be better, but it would be uniquely Japanese (maybe with an emperor and more Feudal, remember Europe was thus for a lot of its history, originally small plots, then larger kingdoms).

God has promises to those who obey (no diseases, long life, prosperity), and I would expect them to apply to a primitive tribe as much as a modern, technological city.

Blogger tz March 16, 2017 8:45 PM  

"You must go home".
How does that work with the Iroquois and Mohawks?

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Anonymous Jack Murphy March 16, 2017 8:48 PM  

Thank you Wraithburn,

Wraithburn wrote:Looks like Brave still eats comments here :/

Anyway, I'm happy to answer Jack.

Paul touches on this in his Epistles I think. He rebukes the judaizers and their attempts to get new believers to follow the jewish laws, explaining we have freedom in Christ. BUT, Paul then notes that if we are truly children of God, we will want to be like our Father. And James says that faith without works is dead.

As Christians, we are born again into God's tribe. Our Patriarch is our example of how we should be and it becomes pretty easy to see who's failing but struggling onwards, and who's playacting. Christianity is I think the only truly "propositional nation" if you'll pardon the poor analogy. You believe, and you are. But you never truly believed if you didn't produce fruit.
''

Interesting you bring up the idea of propositional nation in terms of Christianity. This was actually what I was wondering about, but I had to ask a few questions to get there first.

I'm curious as to the relevant prominence of Christianity among the framers of the US and whether or not they believed the propositional nation concept could be constructed again. It does seem to be congruent thinking, adherents to a propositional nation would think it possible to create another.

I'm grappling with all the logic and history around these issues so thank you for talking it through.

I'm not educated enough on the subject but I suspect early Christians enforced their proposition nation through violence - accept or die. That's my interpretation from popular culture and general reference, the validity of that assumption to be determined.

Thanks,

Jack

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Blogger Beau March 16, 2017 8:51 PM  

They were singing a new song: You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals because you were killed, and at the cost of your own blood you have purchased for God persons from every tribe, language, people, and nation. Revelation 5:9

Anonymous Jack Murphy March 16, 2017 8:55 PM  

Thanks, TZ.

I appreciate the consideration of Christianity redeeming a culture rather than producing one. Interesting to think about.

Was the United States redeemed or created? Or just an extension of redeemed Western Europe?

Anonymous clay March 16, 2017 8:57 PM  

This might have been one of the strangest forum posts I've ever seen.

It went out into that Hubble Scope perspective.

I got lost.

I'm sure, it's just me.

Blogger Cail Corishev March 16, 2017 9:17 PM  

Christianity is not a nation, propositional or otherwise, so taking that line of thinking beyond a strained analogy won't make much sense.

Christianity is a foundation stone of the nations that made up Western Civilization, but Western Civ includes a lot more than that foundation, and a nation is defined by a lot more than its religion, even when there is one official religion such as in Catholic Spain.

Africans and Asians can be preached the gospel and redeemed by faith in Jesus Christ, but that doesn't mean they can maintain Western Civilization, or that they can come together with Europeans and Asians and others into one nation called "Christianity." Apples and oranges.

Anonymous Wraithburn March 16, 2017 9:17 PM  

I would defer on the founders' thinking to the research our host did with John Red Eagle in Cuckservatives. As for Christianity itself, I think I need to clarify. I said it was a poor analogy, and there's a very important reason for that.

Why did the Israelites think they were so special? Because God Himself had told them they were His chosen people! God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. So either God's a liar, and the Israelites were only temporarily His, till He changed His mind, or they are the only chosen bloodline of God's. Well how do we gentiles get into this exclusive tribe? What do we do?

There's a blood sacrifice, and we are born again spiritually. Throughout the Bible, it's very clear how important and central bloodlines are. The book of Chronicles goes into great detail about who's born from whom for a while. Again, this demonstrates the impossibility of the task for man. No man can change his bloodline, but God has solved this problem. The upshot is that as Christians we have a spiritual tribe, and a physical one.

In the end, I would agree with Vox Day in that the propositional nation myth is just that, a myth. It was never part of the founding of America. In addition, as fewer and fewer know their Bible, it has been easier and easier to spread the pap of fake christianity. This makes the idea sound like it fits right in, when it does not.

Blogger Lazarus March 16, 2017 9:18 PM  

Robert What? wrote:"you have to go back"

My ancestors came from Romania in the late 1800s. The place they came from doesn't even exist anymore, so where do I go back to? And before I go back I'd like a refund of all the taxes I paid in, thank you very much.


I checked on Google maps. Romania is still there.

Taxes refunded, minus benefits received. (infrastructure, institutions, defense, etc.)

Anonymous Mike Rock March 16, 2017 9:21 PM  

Using LOGIC on a liberal?????
"
"Your little boy can completely see with his own eyes that there is most certainly a difference -- in just skin color alone, if not also behavior and speech patterns and a whole raft of characteristics! And you've created a real problem for him: because what he SEES is something you tell him IS NOT THERE... He's just four! When mommy and daddy tell him something, he's going to want to believe it -- but he can SEE that he is not like the black kids and they're not like him!

"You are TEACHING him to deny the evidence of his own eyes, to LIE to himself about the reality he actually, physically sees! That's just cruel, to confuse such a young child like that!"

Fucking PRICELESS~!!

Blogger Lazarus March 16, 2017 9:22 PM  

clay wrote:I got lost.

I'm sure, it's just me.


We are here for you man. Its going to be ok.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd March 16, 2017 9:23 PM  

I love it.

Anonymous Jack Murphy March 16, 2017 9:25 PM  

Thank you Wraithburn and Cail Corishev.

Good things to think about, appreciate it.

Blogger Cail Corishev March 16, 2017 9:26 PM  

I said it was a poor analogy,

Understood. That's why I was trying to head off the questioner from taking it literally despite that, and stretching it even further.

Blogger Lazarus March 16, 2017 9:27 PM  

Beau wrote:They were singing a new song: You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals because you were killed, and at the cost of your own blood you have purchased for God persons from every tribe, language, people, and nation. Revelation 5:9



You will like this:

http://shoebat.com/2017/03/15/tens-of-thousands-of-muslims-in-bangladesh-are-embracing-christ-as-their-savior-and-it-has-gotten-so-huge-the-muslims-cant-hide-it-any-more/

Blogger VD March 16, 2017 9:30 PM  

How does that work with the Iroquois and Mohawks?

Get off their land. Since you're willing to give half of California to Mexicans and New York City to Jews, you should be willing to give we Indians back our ancestral lands.

Anonymous Clay March 16, 2017 9:31 PM  

Well, thanks, Laz. I feel resurrected:)

Blogger SirHamster March 16, 2017 9:31 PM  

Jack Murphy wrote:I'm not educated enough on the subject but I suspect early Christians enforced their proposition nation through violence - accept or die.

Forged by accept AND die, maybe. Following Jesus means taking up a cross and dying to self; recall that Jesus and all of his disciples bar one were crucified.

Christians spent a long while being persecuted by the Romans and the Jews. Conquering the Roman empire and becoming its state religion was a later thing.

Blogger Orville March 16, 2017 9:32 PM  

So assuming Jack Murphy isn't a stealth troll (Jack Murphy - Twitter), then he suffers from a post-Christian deficit of even a hint of understanding of Christianity.

Jack, I recommend sticking to the basics as outlined above, we are all condemned under the law (the 10 commandments), God became a sinless man (Jesus Christ), who gave himself up as a sacrifice to pay our penalty. If we accept that gift, then we gain eternal life, if we reject that gift we continue on to eternal suffering in hell.

To many times people want to instead talk about this or that, such as whether Christianity supports a propositional nation, or if Adam had a navel to gaze at.

Anonymous Jack Murphy March 16, 2017 9:40 PM  

Orville, Thanks for the reply. Definitely not a stealth troll. I am genuinely curious, especially the interplay of Christianity and the United States especially the founding and the eventual culture.

There's a lot of novel (to me) thinking well discussed here and I'm grappling with many of the issues which contradict my life-long (brainwashing) education.

Trying to be respectful and play by the rules here. Thank you for discussing it.

Blogger Mountain Man March 16, 2017 9:41 PM  

Jack Murphy is not a stealth troll. He has a blog with some interesting perspectives -although its written strictly from the stance of a hedonist.

Blogger tz March 16, 2017 9:41 PM  

@96

The United states were (not was) an intersection of a mix of non-conformists, the elites who were humbled (Washington, but Jefferson, see TomWoods.com's two podcasts with the author of a topical biography), and put principle above their own interests.

Don't forget the antecedent Cromwell period, the English civil war, and the earlier conflicts, many bloody, that already had refined things, and the best were driven across the Atlantic.

(Though Mother England caught up and surpassed us in some ways with Acton and Wilberforce).

Not merely one particular redeemed culture, but a particular set, which had to coexist, and was sympathetic to enlightenment principles. We ended up with a nation of philosopher kings who weren't taking a throne.

Christ was center, especially biblical Christianity (see wallbuilders.org) - you can't understand 1770-1800 without understanding everyone had a specific and narrow biblical viewpoint.

The Black Robe regiment (of protestant preachers) is what caused victory, more than Thomas Paine.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd March 16, 2017 9:45 PM  

Are you certain you're the one being targeted with that rhetoric?

Why? Romanian is white, and you yourself identify as a committed taxpayer. Why would you see yourself as an outsider in this situation? I'm guessing you're Orthodox Christian? Hardly an offense to people on this board.

I have ancestors who fought in the Revolution, but my mother is Chinese. I don't get threatened because i am an American. I don't theaten the overall vision. I understand that there's an unbridgeable gulf between myself and Han Chinese, and that most may eventually have to go back; tgeir vision of society disgusts me.

Hence my commitment to an overall Alt-West nationalism.

Blogger tz March 16, 2017 9:46 PM  

@96, I think they were trying to return to something like Israel under the Judges, 12 tribes, one of priests, the others independent. See 1 Samuel 8 for the problems with a King.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper March 16, 2017 9:47 PM  

Robert What? wrote:"you have to go back"

My ancestors came from Romania in the late 1800s. The place they came from doesn't even exist anymore, so where do I go back to? And before I go back I'd like a refund of all the taxes I paid in, thank you very much.


I'm going to be nicer than they rest today. Stop digging.

Stop acting like a Fake American and people won't treat you like one

If you couldn't manage this, you wouldn't be here.

Seriously no one cares unless you care. And if you care, you have to go back.

And this advice applies to Mischlings, 1/16 Asians, Metis and the rest of the oddballs . If we can't tell you aren't Americans we don't care unless you try to make us care.

It ain't about you, its about something bigger than all of us so shut up, arm up and fight with us or you have to go back.

Blogger Mountain Man March 16, 2017 9:48 PM  

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Blogger Mountain Man March 16, 2017 9:48 PM  

'I'm not educated enough on the subject but I suspect early Christians enforced their proposition nation through violence - accept or die. That's my interpretation from popular culture and general reference, ‘

Thats the interpretation from the popular culture because the “popular culture” seeks to tear down all the good attributes upon which this country was founded. The original Puritans lived in harmony with the native americans. Educating them about the holy scriptures but not enforcing it at gun point or coercion. They were also known to treat the natives fairly both in land deals, trading etc.. Problems arose when other settlers arrived who were not so spiritually inclined.

Anonymous Grayman March 16, 2017 9:50 PM  

Signs..... Trump visits Jackson's grave; the courts have usurped executive powers with their illegitimate rulings..... Trump has to find a way to shut down the courts without getting impeached by Congress who is more or less openly hostile.

Is the budget a feign while he positions himself to neuter the courts

Blogger Orville March 16, 2017 9:51 PM  

Mountain Man, good to know! We've had quite the infestation here lately.

Jack, as you may know, everyone has their biases, and you can find some who say that Christianity had little to do with the founding as many of the founders were deists, but others see Christianity in every nook and cranny of the founding of the USA. I'm more a middle grounder on that topic. On the one hand many of the early settlers such as the Puritans or Methodists were fleeing England due to persecution from the high and low "church" in England. Others were just here for the opportunities. In either case, the basics of Christianity were taught in the homes and church and understanding, even if not belief, was widespread. Then on the other hand there was definitely a more pagan Masonic influence among some of the founders. There is a tremendous amount of occult symbolism in the very architecture and layout of the District of Columbia.

Anonymous Civic Nationalism is Dead March 16, 2017 9:53 PM  

Fake News propaganda from Fake Americans that need to go back.

Powerful stuff.

My comment on Jack Murphy's questions about Christianity and nationalism is that Christians believe in a Kingdom of God, but because Man is flawed that Kingdom can only be in Heaven.

Satan, in contrast, wants to build his Kingdom in this world. All empires, no matter how well intended, are thus borne of his influence. Nations resist empires and, thus, are more likely to be capable of producing people who can enter the Kingdom of God than empires can.

As far as Vox's advice about ceding land and territory to foreign peoples, that's what the choice for White America is at this point - either we engage in a Reconquista and go the route of China by populating the lands over time with higher birthrates or we decide on a place that is ours and dismantle the US as it currently exists in favor of a series of nations that reflect the cultures of the people in them.

It will be interesting whether the US becomes the West's version of China or if a new American civilization forms that has mestizos, natives, Europeans, Asians, etc. forming a new global crossroads like how the Middle East is in Eurasia.

Anonymous Jack Murphy March 16, 2017 9:53 PM  

MM: I guess I asked that question about violence enforcing proposition nations because of the article I read linked from here earlier today. It was about the USSR and the US being proposition nations which required force to maintain, and in the US case then became (or will become) antithetical to the proposition.

Thanks for the reply.

Blogger Orville March 16, 2017 9:54 PM  

@118 The original Puritans lived in harmony with the native americans. David Brainerd is a great example of that.

Anonymous Wraithburn March 16, 2017 9:55 PM  

It's no problem Cail, II appreciate your help.

And Jack, I hope you find the Truth you are searching for. God does not hide from those who seek Him.

Anonymous EH March 16, 2017 10:01 PM  

"fake" is a good word, but synonyms may be better in some spots:
phony
fraudulent
fictional
counterfeit
bogus
pseudo-
play
pretend
simulated
make-believe
sham
faux
ersatz
artificial
imitation
cheap plastic knockoff

"Fake" rips the guts out of their pretenses, everything they claim to be and everything they claim to believe:

fake Americans
fake progress
fake diversity
fake consensus
fake justice
fake equality
fake feelings
fake caring
fake help
fake status
fake authenticity
fake class
fake sophistication
fake popularity
fake beauty
fake community
fake love
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fake family
fake caring
fake peace
fake pacifism
fake good
fake virtue
fake religion
fake church
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fake facts
fake news
fake science
fake truth
fake jobs
fake work
fake business
fake institutions
fake pensions
fake economy
fake middle class
fake citizens
fake loyalty
fake government
fake democracy
fake law
fake leadership
fake authority
fake competence
fake intelligence
fake brains
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fake education
fake learning
fake schools
fake teaching
fake art
fake life
fake people

Blogger Beau March 16, 2017 10:02 PM  

You will like this:

http://shoebat.com/2017/03/15/tens-of-thousands-of-muslims-in-bangladesh-are-embracing-christ-as-their-savior-and-it-has-gotten-so-huge-the-muslims-cant-hide-it-any-more/


Indeed I do! Thank you Lord Jesus

Blogger Wynn Lloyd March 16, 2017 10:03 PM  

They have their own homes; with their own national governments, if that's correct?
They are of separate nations. They can't "go back" because they were never a part of the U.S.A. to begin with, at least in a de jure sense. The U.S.A. technically isn't the authority in their homelands. Hence the term, "reservation."

An expert would be more informed though. I'm sure Vox knows the legal ins and outs of all of that much better than the rest of us.

It's weird when leftists invoke the Indians though. By bring up American Indians they don't strengthen the claims of Asian Indians. Rather, they illustrate just why the latter has to return home.

Blogger Mountain Man March 16, 2017 10:06 PM  

Fake Environmental Protection.

Locking up large swaths of land so that it becomes bug infested, dies and then burns in cataclysmic fires....all while pretending that was the way it was before Columbus arrived.

Blogger Mountain Man March 16, 2017 10:10 PM  

Jack.. I just sent up a quick prayer that you may have a personal encounter with God.
Your blog articles have always bled passion and authenticity... may your path lead to the Celestial Kingdom.

Blogger tz March 16, 2017 10:15 PM  

OT - The convergence accelerates

Blogger tz March 16, 2017 10:15 PM  

Wikipedia - fake facts

Blogger Mountain Man March 16, 2017 10:19 PM  

The winning just doesnt stop ...

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/03/16/omb-director-mulvaney-climate-change-research-waste-money/

What a difference four months have made..elections really do matter !

Blogger Zedd Prime March 16, 2017 10:20 PM  

I can imagine how I would have reacted to being called fake, back when I was hardcore "r-psychology."

If called fake in private, I would have been relieved, and allowed my mask to fall away in vile honesty.

If called fake in public, I would have completely shut down. It would have fried my brain. Pure panic.

Anonymous EH March 16, 2017 10:22 PM  

@41 Otto Lamp, @43 tuberman, @73 Gen. Kong, @128 Moutain Man : all had some good ones

Some more:
fake environmentalism
fake productivity
fake men
fake women
fake adults
fake marriage
fake refugees
fake legitimacy
fake integrity
fake craft
fake wealth
fake accomplishments
fake nationality
fake country
fake homes
fake goods
fake property
fake prosperity
fake independence
fake atheism
fake socialism
fake freedom
fake liberty
fake concern
fake belonging
fake security
fake service
fake sincerity
fake happiness

Anonymous Icicle March 16, 2017 10:37 PM  

I'll have to note I started this over in the travel ban thread originally.

And don't forget a very important one: Fake Experts.

"Don't worry, I'm an expert. the radiation will never escape from Fukushima."

Anonymous Jack Murphy March 16, 2017 10:37 PM  

Thank you for the dialogue, everyone. Good night!

Blogger Mountain Man March 16, 2017 11:07 PM  

@ 134
Two more for the list:

Fake Health Care
Fake Food

Blogger Nick S March 16, 2017 11:08 PM  

Thanks, EH. I'll be leveraging the "Fake Religion" trigger for Muslim apologists. Let's see if I can elicit a Fatwa.

Blogger VFM #7634 March 16, 2017 11:12 PM  

Thanks, EH. I'll be leveraging the "Fake Religion" trigger for Muslim apologists. Let's see if I can elicit a Fatwa.

@138 Nick S
Also, the Cuckstains. Perfect for them.

Anonymous Luke March 16, 2017 11:23 PM  

68. Robert What? March 16, 2017 7:21 PM
"you have to go back"

"My ancestors came from Romania in the late 1800s. The place they came from doesn't even exist anymore, so where do I go back to? And before I go back I'd like a refund of all the taxes I paid in, thank you very much."

1) You received more than a few services from various levels of government in the U.S. during your life, and those should logically be deducted from your theoretical tax refund.

2) You also owe Rumania (Hungary, Ukraine, whichever country has that territory now) taxes for your whole life. Pay up!

Anonymous Icicle March 16, 2017 11:27 PM  

That might be more accurate than you realize; if we can figure out what Muhammad actually saw in the Cave of Hira on Jabal al-Nour.

Blogger Elder Son March 16, 2017 11:31 PM  

Stop being so paranoid that you aren't genetically American enough. My lineage goes back to The Blessing on one side, and Irish (mid 1800's)/Choctaw on the other. As for the Irish part, they were originally French/Norman, de Nogent (Nugent).

Blogger D. March 16, 2017 11:35 PM  

The Mark Steyn Show with Christopher Caldwell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir6PmBhCj4Q

Anonymous Clay March 16, 2017 11:49 PM  

42. Elder Son March 16, 2017 11:31 PM
Stop being so paranoid that you aren't genetically American enough. My lineage goes back to The Blessing on one side, and Irish (mid 1800's)/Choctaw on the other. As for the Irish part, they were originally French/Norman, de Nogent (Nugent).

Hi, Elder.

Just out of curiosity, how do you have your lineage confirmed?

Blogger Elder Son March 17, 2017 12:06 AM  

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Blogger Elder Son March 17, 2017 12:07 AM  

(Put 42 rather than) @144


Handed down through family and documents.

Plus, pooling resources with several relatives on https://ancestry.com - https://familysearch.org - http://ldsgenealogy.com/

It's not that hard, especially if you have in your hand, or relatives hands, documents. It is more time consuming than anything else.

Blogger Michael Maier March 17, 2017 12:14 AM  

I probably shouldn't but I love this stuff.

Good times, man... good times.

Piss on all the libtards. I love shutting them up just by being unafraid of their condemnation.

"Oh you hate bakers because they think fags and dykes are gross? Well, I hope those filthy fags and dykes get gutted and hung in the public square."

CRICKETS.

They're gutless pussies. Once the Trump supporters start beating the shit out them in person at every turn - AND start beating or shooting the BLM faggots too - I bet they'll collapse and never show their pussy faces again.

Anonymous EH March 17, 2017 12:24 AM  

@135 Icicle "fake experts" is a prime one, also "fake expertise" is sure to get under their skin.

@ 137 Mountain Man
good, I like "fake food" ("hole foods"?), "fake health care" sparks a few more:
fake insurance
fake medicine
fake profession
fake health
fake sports
fake numbers
fake qualifications
fake history
fake commitment
fake humanity
fake children (pets)
fake soul

@138 Nick S, @139 VFM #7634
"fake religion" works at least as well on those who think they're not religious:
"fake progress, fake community, fake equality: that's your fake religion, you fake American, but it won't save your fake soul!"

Blogger Beau March 17, 2017 12:34 AM  

Therefore, since we are receiving an unshakable kingdom, let us be filled with gratitude, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe. For our God is a consuming fire. Hebrews 12:28-29

Father, turn up the heat. Burn off works of hay, wood, and stubble. Let only that of value remain in our lives, gold, silver and costly stones. Refine us for service in your army of salvation.

Anonymous Unamused Flyover Resident March 17, 2017 1:03 AM  

I hate to be a one note Nancy, but Beau, would you please pray for my husband, who is searching and thinks to find what he seeks in the arms of another, and our marriage, which is teetering? Our 25th anniversary will be May 16th.

It's the mid-life crisis from hell and I need all the help I can get.

Thank you.

(FTR, I'm within 10 pounds of when we met; he's ballooned by 75. Just sayin')

Anonymous clay March 17, 2017 1:04 AM  

Hi Elder.

My grandmother hired a guy to get our family history.

Of courrsce it was from her side

I am a direct decendant of Emmanuel Philibert, the last King of Italy.

My father was German, can't find out about his history, except that my grandfather was in the Navy, and designed the first collapsible periscope for a submarine.

Well, I do know that my father was a B-17 pilot, was just about being transferred to Europe, when it ended,

So. He started training at Roswell Base in New Mexico.

You know enuff.
.

Blogger Elder Son March 17, 2017 1:21 AM  

@144

I was saying, then you responded.

Give it a shot. Start at ancestry.com with what you DO know. Leave it open for others to see (share). Before you know, you'll even start meeting relatives you didn't know about asking you questions about people in your gen. And that works the other way round too. Even if you are limited on docs, or no docs, use the hints and services ancestry.com provides you such as immigration docs, census docs, birth, etc.

My mother, as far as I can remember, would sit down with all the old folks every chance she got and pick their brains, ask for docs, and pics and such. Some originals, some copies. I have binders full of the stuff when she passed on. I even have an original 1804 The Balance Vol. III.


Skip to.

You are way ahead then. Go to https://ancestry.com and use what you have. The "other side" is going to be a lot easier to find. And you'll "find out about his history."

Blogger Beau March 17, 2017 1:47 AM  

Our 25th anniversary will be May 16th.

Father, remove deception from this husband's mind. Remove spiritual blindness fueled by unrighteous desire. Restore these two to each other's love and respect. Refresh their love I ask in Jesus' name. Amen.

I've found that fasting powerfully breaks strongholds of deception. It restored my wife many years ago. I started fasting one meal per day. Found it was effective, then expanded to two meals, kept the end of the fast open-ended so I wouldn't make a vow I'd be too tempted to keep. God peeled the devil's fingers off of her. All the while I realized every cell of my body was involved in the prayer for our marriage. You'll be in my prayers, sister.

Anonymous EH March 17, 2017 2:02 AM  

Here's some more to trigger the special snow-fakes (maybe this will get the last of it out of my system)

More words with similar emotional valence to "fake":
pretentious, fair-weather, nominal, mediocre
rootless, lost, empty, hollow,
astroturfer, shill, poseur

fake self-esteem
fake self-image
fake self-worth
fake lesbian
closet heterosexual
fake charity
fake company
fake business
fake speech
fake words
fake logic
fake consistency
fake argument
fake opinion
fake (Christian, Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, Mormon, Hindu....)
fake courage
fake honor
fake fairness
fake friends
fake liberal
fake Democrat (anarchist, libertarian,conservative, Republican etc.)
fake musician
fake actor
fake athlete
fake intellectual
fake reporter
fake journalist
fake coffee (this one is going to hit them harder than you might think)
fake beer
fake victims
fake rights
fake bohemians
fake culture
fake ethnicity
fake feminism/ist
fake anti-racism/ist
fake anti-fascism/ist
fake rape
fake privilege
fake oppression
fake civilization
fake morality
fake ethics
fake research
fake subject (field, department)
fake tears (crying)
fake activist
fake organizer
fake adequacy
fake originality
fake quality
fake friends
fake American, real Merkin (pubic hairpiece)
fake credentials
fake cosmopolitan
fake worth
fake standards
fake rules
fake success
fake multi-culturalism
fake identity
fake values
fake compromise
fake negotiation
fake conversation
fake dialogue

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky March 17, 2017 2:14 AM  

So, they chafe at being called fake? That hits their nerve. Funny what a Magic Missile that Truth can be. I will be using this left and right, on all sides, like water. Calling out those fake Americans.

As they need to be. They are, in my verbiage, TWANLOCs (Those Who Are No Longer Our Countrymen).

But FAKE AMERICANS does the same trick quite nicely!

Blogger Kona Commuter March 17, 2017 2:45 AM  

I like the "fake" argument. Everyone immediately understands what the accusation is.

Anyone who uses a hyphen to describe their Nationality is a Fake citizen in my opinion. Pick a side. I don't care which but if your loyalties are divided then you're not exactly trustworthy.

Again - just my opinion

Anonymous Looking Glass March 17, 2017 2:59 AM  

@156 "Fake Argument" is also going to be brutally against the fools that are trying to tie people up in knots.

"Fake Question" is good to use on the Media. Cuts right to the heart of their framing to trap people. "Don't answer Fake Questions" is also a phrase to live by.

Anonymous Unamused Flyover Resident March 17, 2017 3:25 AM  

Late but in earnest, thank you, Beau. I will definitely try the fast as I petition that God's will be done "on earth as it is in heaven."

God bless.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy March 17, 2017 3:51 AM  

pyrrhus wrote:O/T You can't make this stuff up. Decision was written before the hearing...
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/leftist-judge-produces-43-page-decision-within-2-hours-hearing-states-request-block-trump-refugee-ban/

To bring this back on-topic: A Fake Judge issued a Fake Decision. Perhaps the decision could even be called a ‘Chinese copy’ (though that phrase has lost its rhetorical punch these days).

And down with the SJWs and the fake civility that their Codes of Conduct demand. Thou shalt not allow a conflict to be seen and addressed openly, but instead stab thy opponents in the back when thou canst do so unseen. (Or bite them with thy venomous fangs.)

Blogger Wynn Lloyd March 17, 2017 3:52 AM  

Hang in there. You'll be in the Lloyd kids' prayers as well.

Midlife crises can be earth-shattering. One thing that sticks out after hearing talks on the subject is that the spouse should never condemn themselves; the crisis is brought on by an immaturity in dealing with time and mortality, which no one can bring about. You could be the absolute perfect spouse and person, and this would have still happened.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit March 17, 2017 4:06 AM  

It hurts because it's true and they know it. The leftist/libtard is defined by obedience to "the narrative of equality" despite the evidence of their own eyes. Their reward is to be accepted as one of "the good people", better than those evil racist islamophobic haters who believe their hate facts. They are further rewarded with good feelz as everyone around them parrots the same lies.

However, when you call them fake you are breaking the ceasefire that the good people have placed on truth telling. They have to face the fact that they and everyone else they know is just pretending to be good, that it is defined by external factors rather than what they know and it is fake and they are fake.

Fake social "good" is anti-human. It is not possible for human beings to believe that crap, they are either liars manipulating people for their own advantage or useful idiots too cowardly to admit the truth.

Fake

Blogger Duke Norfolk March 17, 2017 5:47 AM  

A.B. Prosper wrote:It ain't about you, its about something bigger than all of us so shut up, arm up and fight with us or you have to go back.


This (and the other you wrote) has been conveyed to Robert What numerous times here, and yet he continues with this question. (over and over and over again)

He's either stupid or, hmmmm, might be (((something else))).

He refuses to get it, and thus I'm afraid he's going to get "it."

There's no way he'll fit in and survive the coming war, as he'll persist in stamping his true tribal roots on his forehead. Good grief.

Blogger Lovekraft March 17, 2017 7:27 AM  

NoBordersBarack's mandate was based on #FalseConsensus.

Blogger Pteronarcyd March 17, 2017 8:48 AM  

Vox,

What about establishing a link in the sidebar to a dictionary of such superb rhetorical words and phrases useful in our battle with the Left?

Anonymous Apollyon March 17, 2017 9:45 AM  

To #2. Right of conquest. Plus, they have been there in force long before the majority of whites were in the New World.

They will go back when all non-natives leave the U.S., Canada, Australia, New Zealand...

Anonymous 43rd Virginia Cavalry March 17, 2017 10:08 AM  

I intend to do some experiments on my evangelical Atheist friends and their "Fake Religion".

Blogger Dirk Manly March 17, 2017 12:25 PM  

Just like a woman who does the [maiden name]-[husband's last name] instead of just taking her husband's last name: she will never be loyal.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 17, 2017 4:54 PM  

Apollyon wrote:They will go back when all non-natives leave the U.S., Canada, Australia, New Zealand...
like any invader, they'll go back if they are driven out, not otherwise. And since the Catholics don't seem to want to drive them out, yet, and it has not been demonstrated that the Catholics can drive them out, the situation festers, like an untreated boil.

Blogger JCclimber March 17, 2017 5:28 PM  

Been noticing the literal tears of the SJWs who work in government positions. For example, the ones who's full time job is to sign as many illegal immigrants as absolutely possible up for food stamps.

They are crying because some families are avoiding them or asking to be removed from food stamps. The foolish SJWs keep promising that there won't be any repercussions to signing up for food stamps.

The illegals have just enough native cunning to realize that the SJSs are idiots and it would be easy for the Feds to pull state records of who signed up for food stamps by lying. And then deporting them within hours for breaking the law.

Of course it never enters the SJW mind that the illegals can go back to the hell hole they came from. I mean, the SJW wouldn't want to go and live in that immigrants home nation, surrounded by all those icky brown people, so of course it is impossible for the illegal to go back there either.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit March 17, 2017 10:17 PM  

It's also why "you have to go back" is such powerful rhetoric. Not-Americans are genuinely afraid, and with good reason, that eventually they will be called upon to do so. .

So when can the U.S. expect Vox Day to return to its shores?

And... how many generations before the children (or grandchildren) of immigrants are "real Americans"? And to what degree? Why is it good rhetoric to make law-abiding, assimilated Americans who love Western Civilization far more than most of the genetically pure (by your definition: English race, yes?) more afraid for their children at the hands of the alt-right than the SJWs?

More importantly, who's doing the "forcing" to go back? The Federal Gummint? Bureaucracies always go for the soft target.

So while I can perceive rhetorical advantages to having various people who came here illegally, and the ones who insist that the U.S. become just like the country they left being afraid, rather like Soviet propaganda about U.S. being a bunch of cowboys and mafia keeping much of the would-be Islamic terrorists out of the country, why do you think it will work like that?

If the antifa protest violence have showed us anything, it's that the bottom feeders are fat & happy, and sure of government protection. So only the more intelligent soft targets are going to be afraid... thus driving them, unhappily into the enemy camp.

And that's a win?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 17, 2017 11:31 PM  

Look, Hobbit, we know you're a Gamma, but GIVE IT A FUCKING REST.

I addressed this for one of our other resident "WHAT ABOUT MEEEEEEE?!?!?!? faggots here. Click on it, it will answer your question. Not that you want an answer, you want to score points.

Blogger SirHamster March 18, 2017 6:30 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Look, Hobbit, we know you're a Gamma, but GIVE IT A FUCKING REST.

Hobbit is a woman IIRC, so that's female soft-hearted ness rather than Gamma.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit March 18, 2017 9:08 PM  

@171 Probably. It is very much a female thing: "What are you planning to do to my children?"

But I really do want an answer viz the rhetoric, because I want SJWs and Vichy "conservatives" to lose.

Anonymous varsav March 21, 2017 10:01 PM  

"fake" is the same-mirror to "racist/xenophobe". Leftist hearts run on the fear of tribal exclusion, which is why they hate racism ("hey, we can't start excluding people"). They fear being excluded, so they insist on the principle of prohibition of exclusion of anybody, on any reason. Calling somebody a fake member of the tribe is a hammer blow to the head, because it triggers that fear massively into direct panic: they themselves just got directly targeted and they can't rely on a label that would prosecute you.

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