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Friday, December 01, 2017

Miscarriage of justice or prosecutorial overreach

Both, I tend to think, in the case of the death of Kate Steinle:
Jurors Thursday afternoon acquitted the illegal immigrant accused of killing Kate Steinle as she walked with her father on a crowded San Francisco pier of all charges except for felony possession of a firearm.

A spokesperson for the Superior Court of California made the announcement that the jury had reached a verdict shortly after 3 p.m. Shortly after 4:30 p.m., the shocking verdict was announced that Jose Ines Garcia Zarate was found not guilty of all charges except for the gun possession charge.

The jury of six women and six men considered charges against Garcia Zarate that include murder, assault with a deadly weapon and being a felon in possession of a firearm in the death of Steinle, a 32-year-old Pleasanton native and San Francisco resident.
The problem is that the killing quite clearly wasn't Murder One. Unless the prosecutor wanted to argue that the killer was some sort of Deadshot-style supervillain utilizing a bank shot, there is no reasonable way to claim that a ricochet was an intentional murder. Nor would it appear likely that any assault was intended; what I can't understand is why there was no conviction for manslaughter.

That being said, the fact that the man was in the country at all after being deported is inexcusable. Given that illegal immigrants - and legal immigrants, for that matter - have no rights under the U.S. Constitution despite what the Supreme Interpreters claim - there is no reason why a felony or even a misdemeanor conviction by an illegal immigrant should not be a capital offense.

But regardless, one thing is clear. BUILD THE WALL!

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124 Comments:

Blogger seeingsights December 01, 2017 1:14 PM  

A civil lawsuit could succeed against this immigrant, perhaps wrongful death.
However, this immigrant would not be able pay the award if a civil court finds against him.
But since he's an illegal, he can't file bankruptcy.

Blogger Ostar December 01, 2017 1:14 PM  

A miscarriage of justice and another blow for her family.
The silver lining is that this may wake up a few more of the complacent and lied-to.

Anonymous Precious December 01, 2017 1:16 PM  

According to news reports, the jury also acquitted him of involuntary manslaughter. If true it is a shocking display of prosecution incompetence and jury bias.

Anonymous Precious December 01, 2017 1:18 PM  

The family is pursuing a civil lawsuit against the government bureaucrat who owned the gun before it was stolen.

Blogger seeingsights December 01, 2017 1:19 PM  

Trump's tweets on this issue I think we're very interesting and good. The crime issue plays very well with women. That is why a majority of white women voted for a Alpha Male protector as President.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 01, 2017 1:22 PM  

@3 nailed it. Every news report I've seen wrote that the jury could have held him guilty of manslaughter, and they didn't.

Basically, if you're not prepared to protect yourself (which in this young woman's case would have meant "don't go to public places"), the state won't even provide general protection in the form of suppression of general mayhem.

Effectively, this trial shows that illegal immigrants can KILL with impunity. We just took a massive leap toward open war.

Anonymous Tipsy December 01, 2017 1:25 PM  

The stupid thing was the prosecutor pivoted from murder 2 to murder 1 midstream. Doing something like that always signals incompetence or arrogance to the jury, which biases them against the prosecutor. It was a stunning display of inexperience, incompetence, and/or malfeasance by the SF team.

Blogger dvdivx December 01, 2017 1:26 PM  

Stack the jury with non whites and then press home that white lives don't matter. Bonus if stocking the jury with Mexicans if its one of their own.

Anonymous Jack Amok December 01, 2017 1:26 PM  

-Illegal alien with seven felony convictions
-Five previous deportations, wanted for a sixth
-In local police custody, but released before Immigration could take custody of and deport the illegal because of sanctuary city laws
-"finds" a gun stolen from a careless cop and just starts firing it, killing a 32 year old woman.
-Local prosecutors and jury can't find a way to actually convict this guy.

This is the sort of complete, utter and obvious fail of government that turns normies into anarchists.

SF City politicians and mexicns better hope Kate Steinle doesn't have any close relatives with access to bio-engineering skills and supplies. Or just a hunting rifle, scope, and ZFGs.



Blogger Rick T December 01, 2017 1:27 PM  

Zarate is an illegal alien, his presence in this country is a felony, what about the doctrine that a death during the commission of a felony is Murder 1?

Blogger Nate December 01, 2017 1:29 PM  

Exactly right Vox.

They NEVER should've gone for Murder on this. This was straight manslaughter the whole way... and that's how they should've prosecuted it. I mean for crying out loud.. claiming that he was aiming at her... but missed... bounced the bullet off a wall on accident... then hit her?

What kind of retard would fall for that?

That said... Everyone on the jury should be deported.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 01, 2017 1:29 PM  

Only (mostly white) men who fall behind on child support can be jailed for what amounts to a civil infraction (a re-creation of debtors prison), so as much as it might be great to sue this human-cockroach hybrid for all he's got, it won't land him behind bars (much less plant him where be belongs.)

There will be no peace with those who insist on polluting America's commons with people who, even at a 1% frequency, bring with them chaos and violent crime.

If a dog breed had a 1% incidence of serious attacks on humans, it would be exterminated. The world's peoples are not entitled to share our land. If they like what we have, create it themselves, where they live. Those who claim we're obligated, somehow, to "help" everyone are just breathing my air.

Blogger Nate December 01, 2017 1:29 PM  

As I tweeted today.

Build the Wall today out of concrete. Or 20 years from now a someone else will build the wall out of Illegal Immigrants.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 01, 2017 1:30 PM  

Not prosecutorial incompetence nor overreach. These charges were totally selected to provide a way for a jury to let him go. Normal procedure for someone the prosecutor wanted to lock up would involve filing every possible felony and misdemeanor, overloading so that the defense accepts a plea bargain.

The SF DA office set this prosecution up to fail. Defense attorney Gonzalez said some empty words to the family.

Sanctuary City San Francisco says to historical America: Die! Just DIE!

Anonymous Steve Canyon December 01, 2017 1:31 PM  

Isn't the whole forged/stolen federal documents deal a felony?

If so, what's the rationale for this not being murder due to a death during the commission of a felony?


Blogger dc.sunsets December 01, 2017 1:33 PM  

there is no reason why a felony or even a misdemeanor conviction by an illegal immigrant should not be a capital offense.

Bring back bounty-hunting...dead or alive, with bounties determined by the severity of the prior conviction. Murder, rape or armed robbery? Get deported, then show back up and your head (literally, no body necessary) is worth $10,000...or $100,000.

Problem goes away in a New York Minute.

Anonymous Jack Amok December 01, 2017 1:36 PM  

Poor Zarate, he should probably sue Sig Sauer for manufacturing the gun that caused him to suffer so much trauma and fear, being put on trial by the oppressive society he keeps sneaking into. If they didn't make guns, he'd have never had to go through any of this!

Anonymous The Watcher of the Skies December 01, 2017 1:39 PM  

If any voters hesitated a bit as they casted their ballots for Trump, this verdict will surely help remove the veil from their eyes.
This will certainly catapult the god-emperor into a second term.

There's no doubt about it my mind.

The left doesn't care about your church, faith, morals...
It doesn't care about your identity, it cares not for justice...

the left cares about (((nothing))) and Nihilism is the essence of its soul.

BUILD THE WALL!
Trumpslide 2.0

Blogger Eric Slate December 01, 2017 1:42 PM  

Perhaps the perpetrator's country will refuse to take him. California doesn't have the death penalty, therefore, they HAVE to keep him in a warehouse until the prison system breaks down

Anonymous trev006 December 01, 2017 1:44 PM  

Man, if I was a prosecutor, I might have made the Deadshot argument just to get into a law textbook:

"... in conclusion, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the argument that Mr. Zapata is a genius marksman who used a deliberate ricochet to commit first degree murder seems unlikely, even fanciful. I assure you: this attitude, more than any other, causes Gotham City to be a revolving door for supervillians like Senor Deadshot. I beg of you: show this city it doesn't need Batman. Show this nation justice."

I mean, if you don't laugh you might go mad. This is occupier law, except with illegal immigrants standing in for British soldiers.

Anonymous Wendy Weinbaum December 01, 2017 1:46 PM  

Just BUILD the WALL....
And STOP them ALL!!!

Anonymous Jack Amok December 01, 2017 1:47 PM  

Perhaps the perpetrator's country will refuse to take him. California doesn't have the death penalty, therefore, they HAVE to keep him in a warehouse until the prison system breaks down

California's government is going bankrupt in large part because the massive costs of the prison system (prison guard's union), and yet they still have mayhem on the streets. Fox Butterfield has finally found his home.

(ha, Captcha just showed me a picture of "Sombrero Drive")

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 01, 2017 1:51 PM  

@19
Perhaps the perpetrator's country will refuse to take him. California doesn't have the death penalty, therefore, they HAVE to keep him in a warehouse until the prison system breaks down

The prison term for the gun charge is 3 years. Including time already served Zarate could be out in a year.

Since he was already deported 5 times it pretty much doesn't matter what the Mexican government wants, he totally would rather be in El Norte.

Anonymous johnc December 01, 2017 2:02 PM  

@18 This will certainly catapult the god-emperor into a second term.

That will surely fix things.

Blogger Elder Son December 01, 2017 2:03 PM  

Just BUILD the WALL....

Didn't they already build several?

LMAO. Kabuki theater.

Illegal alien with seven felony convictions

Nor will America build an internment camp in southern Arizona for these creatures.

Or 20 years from now a someone else will build the wall out of Illegal Immigrants.

Just to give you an idea of where future maledom is heading:

Millennials Join The Special Forces – Treat It Like An HR Department

https://thirstyville.wordpress.com/2017/12/01/millennials-join-the-special-forces-treat-it-like-an-hr-department/

Yeah. In 20 years. The only way to turn this around is to get them to read comic books.

Blogger Smokey Dust December 01, 2017 2:05 PM  

I fully support crimes by immigrants being capital offenses. Bring forth ye impalement poles

Anonymous Andrew E. December 01, 2017 2:05 PM  

If any voters hesitated a bit as they casted their ballots for Trump, this verdict will surely help remove the veil from their eyes.

This will certainly catapult the god-emperor into a second term.


Okay, but will it red-pill Trump on DACA? #NoDealEver

Blogger The Remnant December 01, 2017 2:05 PM  

Yes, build the wall and end automatic birthright citizenship, which is NOT mandated by the 14th Amendment but in fact contravenes it.

Blogger pnq8787 December 01, 2017 2:06 PM  

I really don't understand the desire to deport illegal alien criminals.

From my point of view if a person is here illegally that should aggravate any felony they commit to a capital offense with no appeals if convicted.
The initial crime compounds the later crime.
Furthermore those here illegally should not receive the same legal rights as a citizen.
Those violent criminals who are here illegally should be killed, not deported.
To me it is bizarre suggest deporting murderers, and I would expect a reciprocal arrangement in other countries.

Anonymous BBGKB December 01, 2017 2:10 PM  

This was in now way the amount of overreach that BathHouse Barry's DOJ brought on disabled veteran hero Col James Ersland with an actual murder conviction with life imprisonment for killing one of 2 masked armed "Obama son" robbers.

https://www.facebook.com/FreeJeromeErsland/

Nor would it appear likely that any assault was intended; what I can't understand is why there was no conviction for manslaughter.

San Fran jeweses said the wetback caught on video tossing the dead body of 8yo white girl Maddie Middleton into a dumpster after raping her to death was too stupid to face consequences.
http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/article/NE/20171017/NEWS/171019639

According to news reports, the jury also acquitted him of involuntary manslaughter.

In CA they take "Jury of peers" seriously & there are plenty of wetback child rapists for the jury.

Blogger Dan Slobson December 01, 2017 2:15 PM  

Felony murder.......he was committing a felony that resulted in a homicide.

Anonymous Rfvujm December 01, 2017 2:19 PM  

If any place would have gone with Not Guilty, it would have been San Francisco. If the killings continue there, it might not be a bad thing. May they continue to Double Fown.

Blogger Cloudbuster December 01, 2017 2:24 PM  

The problem is that the killing quite clearly wasn't Murder One. Unless the prosecutor wanted to argue that the killer was some sort of Deadshot-style supervillain utilizing a bank shot, there is no reasonable way to claim that a ricochet was an intentional murder. Nor would it appear likely that any assault was intended; what I can't understand is why there was no conviction for manslaughter.

People who haven't shot real handguns a lot don't realize that very small hand movements and flinches can end up with a shot that is many feet off its intended target even at fairly short ranges. It's entirely possible and plausible to be intentionally trying to kill someone and have your shot be off by several feet, in which case the person dying due to a ricochet just means that, by dumb luck, you managed to kill them despite being a horrible shot.

Blogger dh December 01, 2017 2:26 PM  

That being said, the fact that the man was in the country at all after being deported is inexcusable. Given that illegal immigrants - and legal immigrants, for that matter - have no rights under the U.S. Constitution despite what the Supreme Interpreters claim - there is no reason why a felony or even a misdemeanor conviction by an illegal immigrant should not be a capital offense.

This is probably one of the only really major things I disagree with you on. The Constitution doesn't dole out rights to individuals, it proscribes the actions of government.

It doesn't say "Americans have a right to due process", it says "The government must give anyone it seeks to punish with due process".

Rights are fundamental, universal, and come from God, not from a piece of paper. They are recognized in the Constitution, and the government is proscribed from infringing them. The basis of rights are our observations of rights that we see in nature's manifestation, and the system of observations are the basis for Natural Law, which comport with the rights we find in the Constitution.

That said, there is nothing saying that we must honor non-citizens with protections above and beyond the recognition of their natural law imbued rights. If you are picked up for being here illegally, we must offer you due process chance to show that the governments treatment (deportation) is lawful, but it doesn't mean 6 months in jail, free lawyers, and months of appeals. There's no reason why your due process can't be played out in a few hours or a day before deportation. And as you say, there's no reason why being in the US illegally can't be punished very harshly.

Blogger Cloudbuster December 01, 2017 2:29 PM  

To follow up my previous comment. If you fire a handgun anywhere in my direction, my working assumption, barring strong evidence to the contrary, is going to be that you are trying to kill me and I am going to send lead back in your direction. Hopefully more accurately than you just did.

Anonymous VFM #6306 December 01, 2017 2:32 PM  

But what about a rifle, Cloudbuster?

Blogger Cloudbuster December 01, 2017 2:34 PM  

If I was on the jury, I'd be engaging in reverse jury nullification: his record and his presence in the country are so egregiously condemnatory now that he is responsible for a death, that I want him to fry or at the very least get a life sentence, regardless of what the "law" says.

Blogger Cloudbuster December 01, 2017 2:35 PM  

VFM #6306 wrote:But what about a rifle, Cloudbuster?

Yeah, yeah. :)

Anonymous Steve Canyon December 01, 2017 2:36 PM  

Have INS pay $100 cash to anyone who brings an illegal alien to a detention center, you'd not only slash their budget, but you wouldn't even need to build a wall.

They'd never set foot outside the city limits of a sanctuary city, and the traffic across the border would slow to zero.

Blogger weka December 01, 2017 2:38 PM  

I resisted the temptation to overtly political on the morning's lectionary at my place, but this text could be preached.

Micah 7:11-13

11 A day for the building of your walls!
In that day the boundary shall be far extended.
12 In that day they will come to you
from Assyria to Egypt,
and from Egypt to the River,
from sea to sea and from mountain to mountain.
13 But the earth will be desolate
because of its inhabitants,
for the fruit of their doings.


Do the Burgesses of SF not understand that the city is on a peninsula, with only one bridge to the north, and a couple of water pipes and power lines? They depend, for water and power, on elsewhere.

Come to fighting, do not enter there. Circumvallation will be easy. Besiege them.

Blogger Cloudbuster December 01, 2017 2:40 PM  

Dan Slobson wrote:Felony murder.......he was committing a felony that resulted in a homicide.

Patterico, who is a lawyer, maintains that it doesn't meet the standard for felony murder:

https://www.redstate.com/patterico/2017/12/01/lawsplainer-california-homicide-statutes-relevant-steinle-murder-case/amp/

All I have to say to that is, "The law is a ass."

Anonymous Iacobus December 01, 2017 2:42 PM  

The Steinle case shows just how far we've fallen as a society. It was patently obvious it was manslaughter at the very least. It's pretty easy: Zarate the Wetback steals gun, then fires it, killing an innocent.

Whether or not it was accidental, his recklessness caused the death, full stop.

Build the wall or have war, your choice, SJWs. You won't like the latter. At all.

Blogger Tino December 01, 2017 2:45 PM  

Of course it was murder. Intent follows the bullet. The collapse of the law is now apparent as well in our society. Incompetent prosecutor.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab December 01, 2017 2:45 PM  

Add flamethrowers to the wall.

Blogger Salt December 01, 2017 2:47 PM  

I hope the family sues The City of San Francisco because of its complicity in the death due to its pattern, policies, and practice towards illegals.

Blogger Shamgar December 01, 2017 2:47 PM  

"illegal immigrants - and legal immigrants, for that matter - have no rights under the U.S. Constitution despite what the Supreme Interpreters claim"
That's what I don't get. I've heard of other illegals getting trials. Why? I guess they really need those votes. In the future kids will answer to the question 'why did the USA fall?'
"The USA was okay for a while but they never thought they were being invaded and so they welcomed their invaders and even granted them full rights. Thus the USA fell."

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass December 01, 2017 2:48 PM  

Precious wrote:According to news reports, the jury also acquitted him of involuntary manslaughter. If true it is a shocking display of prosecution incompetence and jury bias.

If true that is disgusting and per Nate, all the jury needs to be deported.

Anonymous johnc December 01, 2017 2:50 PM  

@39 Have INS pay $100 cash to anyone who brings an illegal alien to a detention center, you'd not only slash their budget, but you wouldn't even need to build a wall.

Breitbart reported that the Border Patrol is already back to catch-and-release. Hundreds of guys just like Zarate cross the border every day.

You don't need Congress to fix this. Just a president with a pair of balls.

Anonymous johnc December 01, 2017 2:53 PM  

@45 I hope the family sues The City of San Francisco because of its complicity in the death due to its pattern, policies, and practice towards illegals.

The family brought a lawsuit... against the City, the sheriff, ICE and the BLM (from which the gun was stolen). A federal judge already threw the lawsuit out against all parties except the BLM. So the "gun" is the only responsible party.

Blogger DonReynolds December 01, 2017 2:56 PM  

Yes, of course. Clearly, he was reckless and it cost another person their life. The textbook definition of Manslaughter, which should have been good for 10 to 15 years in state prison.

But re-entering the USA after being deported is an even more serious felony, punishable by 20 years in Federal prison.

The deceitful pro-illegal alien RINOs and Democrats tried to use the occasion of this young woman's death to suggest a new Federal law by the name of "Kate's Law"....which waters down the current law to make re-entry punishable with only 10 years in prison....AND ONLY APPLIES in those cases where the illegal alien commits other felonies AFTER returning to the US. Without additional felonies, re-entry would no longer be a crime.

Pretty sorry "tribute" to someone who lost their life to an illegal alien from Mexico.

Anonymous FP December 01, 2017 2:57 PM  

"Okay, but will it red-pill Trump on DACA? #NoDealEver"

You do understand that Trump is putting the Dems in a bind by letting them have DACA in exchange for building a wall etc.? They give up all illegals or get the "good ones" with DACA. If they hold things up, it makes them look worse and worse and Trump does what he wants administratively, especially with the lawsuit from several states.

The Steinle case has so many problems you don't know where to start. I'm with the theory that it was planned incompetence.

And why not go after the fed agent who lost his gun? Well duh, government does nothing wrong. DA's all across the country go after average Americans if they just have their conceal carry pistol fall out of its holster in a movie theater.

Anonymous Pitcrew December 01, 2017 3:00 PM  

The Jury's makeup seems to be mostly fake Americans.

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/10/18/kate-steinle-trial-jury-selected-jose-garcia-zarate/

Anonymous The Watcher of the Skies December 01, 2017 3:08 PM  

@24
the god emperor has delivered FAR MORE than most expected in mere 11 months. And VOX' insight and commentary has proved more than useful. Trump keeps delivering no matter what the MSM wants to claim about him. At the very least it shows how entrenched the left has become. Any step made forward with his agenda is a step forward....no matter how small that step may seem. Coolidge comes to mind: It's better not to pass a bad law than to approve a good one.

TRUMPSLIDE 2.0

Anonymous The Watcher of the Skies December 01, 2017 3:10 PM  

@27
I think it is Congress rather that needs to be red-pilled on DACA not him.

Blogger James Dixon December 01, 2017 3:13 PM  

> there is no reason why a felony or even a misdemeanor conviction by an illegal immigrant should not be a capital offense.

There is no reason being an illegal immigrant should not be a capital offense. Especially for a third or greater offense.

> This is the sort of complete, utter and obvious fail of government that turns normies into anarchists.

You misspelled vigilantes.

Anonymous Avalanche December 01, 2017 3:17 PM  

@25 "Illegal alien with seven felony convictions
Nor will America build an internment camp in southern Arizona for these creatures."

We've already got one -- send them to Gitmo!

Blogger horsewithnonick December 01, 2017 3:18 PM  

Three strikes rule for illegal entry: deport them twice, if they come back a third time, hang 'em.

Anonymous Andrew E. December 01, 2017 3:25 PM  

I think it is Congress rather that needs to be red-pilled on DACA not him.

Trump tweeted aggressively a few months back that he would never sign any kind of single payer health care legislation when O-care repeal was being debated. Single payer never came up again.

Trump could do the same thing saying no DACA deal ever. The subject would be closed and no Congressional momentum for it could build. And he would suffer no political costs for doing so.

Also, Coulter has convinced me that there is no such thing as a 'limited' amnesty. Any amnesty, no matter how well defined will be broken wide open by the courts and litigated for decades. Coulter has said there are still legal cases pending regarding Reagan's amnesty from 30 YEARS AGO!

Blogger DonReynolds December 01, 2017 3:28 PM  

horsewithnonick wrote:Three strikes rule for illegal entry: deport them twice, if they come back a third time, hang 'em.

Enforce the friggin law.
Re-entry is punishable by 20 years in Federal prison.
They should not live long enough to come back a third time....due to old age.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 01, 2017 3:33 PM  

Avalanche wrote:@25 "Illegal alien with seven felony convictions

Nor will America build an internment camp in southern Arizona for these creatures."

We've already got one -- send them to Gitmo!


Not enough room.

I hear Puerto Rico is becoming less populated. If we're to be stuck with Puerto Ricans, I suggest Eminent Domain be used to obtain the island (sort of foreclosing on it) and turn it into "Escape From New York" (minus the escape part.)

I'm 100% for ceasing to pay for the maintenance and upkeep of those who refuse to abide by civilized rules. Three strikes (or re-entries?) and you get sterilized (no kids for bleeding hearts to leak over) and dropped off on PR. No food, no nothing. Cultivate bananas. Eat each other.
We. Don't. Care.

Not on a first offense, but these clowns who are felonious Energizer Batteries? Oh HELL yeah. Zarate would have been cooling his heels there at least TWO ILLEGAL ENTRIES AGO.

Fanciful....yes. Doable? No. Too bad, though. North America is not big enough for us all to coexist, and reconciling that will make the 30 Years War look mild.

Blogger Elder Son December 01, 2017 3:41 PM  

We've already got one -- send them to Gitmo!

Yeah. For the same reason USA Bigly won't build an internment camp in southern Arizona for those creatures.

Not going to happen.

But I have a hunch that after Trump fulfills his term(s), America will find an AltRight Thomas Jefferson to elect as our POTUS, who will then build the wall with fart cannons, but also build an internment camp in southern Arizona for illegals, while also turning southern Arizona into the breadbasket of America.

Oh! Oh! Oh! That's it! Send them to Puerto Rico!

If only you dream the magic dream!

Anonymous JAG December 01, 2017 3:48 PM  

If I still know my left wingers, the jury found him innocent of everything simply because they were pissed at Trump.

Anonymous Random American December 01, 2017 4:00 PM  

Murder one is prosecutorial overreach (unless he did mean to kill someone and simply missed the original shot, hard to prove.) But any American who did this would be convicted of manslaughter. Well, any white male American, anyway, a woman or black might have gotten a similar pass.
Any court run by libs or with lib jurors should be considered fully invested in selective enforcement anarcho-tyranny. What you did no longer matters, only the politics of who you are.

Anonymous Daniel December 01, 2017 4:04 PM  

I am sure that California, as does every state, has a reckless endangerment charge in the criminal code. Depending on the recklessness involved, this can be a very serious charge, with serious jail time. Maybe this was already covered in the manslaughter charge, I don't know. Anyway, it would have been hard for any jury not to conclude that what this perp did was reckless in the extreme.

Anonymous gxg December 01, 2017 4:08 PM  

We should charge countries for the full expense of imprisoning their citizens. Easy to do. Deduct it from foreign aid or tax transfer payments. If we played our cards right, the countries would be working like hell to keep their citizens out of our country.

While we're at it, let's also charge them for welfare and medical expenses.

Blogger James December 01, 2017 4:09 PM  

DonReynolds wrote:horsewithnonick wrote:Three strikes rule for illegal entry: deport them twice, if they come back a third time, hang 'em.

Enforce the friggin law.

Re-entry is punishable by 20 years in Federal prison.

They should not live long enough to come back a third time....due to old age.


So, how much does it cost the taxpayer to pay room and board for a non-citizen for 20 years? Over $30,000 per year in 2017. Not to mention paying for college education, legal challenges, preparation for employment after release, internet porn, etc. I feel the best option would be a Star Chamber and a disappearance in the middle of the night. Plus, getting rid of illegals could become a growth industry for unemployed citizens.

Blogger DonReynolds December 01, 2017 4:21 PM  

James wrote:DonReynolds wrote:horsewithnonick wrote:Three strikes rule for illegal entry: deport them twice, if they come back a third time, hang 'em.

Enforce the friggin law.

Re-entry is punishable by 20 years in Federal prison.

They should not live long enough to come back a third time....due to old age.


So, how much does it cost the taxpayer to pay room and board for a non-citizen for 20 years? Over $30,000 per year in 2017. Not to mention paying for college education, legal challenges, preparation for employment after release, internet porn, etc. I feel the best option would be a Star Chamber and a disappearance in the middle of the night. Plus, getting rid of illegals could become a growth industry for unemployed citizens.


We need plenty of pest control in this country....I agree.
But until the exterminator shows up, they need to be confined and isolated, so fewer Americans will be victimized.
If it costs enough, maybe the country will agree to DO SOMETHING about it....other than sweep them into the next room!

Anonymous johnc December 01, 2017 4:25 PM  

DOJ has just filed an arrest warrant.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Fine Purveyor of Quality Artisanal Gorm ) December 01, 2017 4:28 PM  

Vox
there is no reasonable way to claim that a ricochet was an intentional murder.



he fired the gun three times.

that's NOT accidental discharge.

did he mean to murder Kate in particular? unlikely, she was well over a hundred feet away from him and walking away.

what difference does the intent to murder Kate in particular make?

a bunch of Jihadi loonies shooting up at a concert or driving through a holiday crowd don't mean to murder any particular person in that crowd.

but they damn sure meant for their actions to murder someone. and it damn sure was premeditated.

however, i agree that inability to "know" internal mental state with 100% accuracy could easily put this outside the bounds of "beyond a reasonable doubt" proof.

given that Zarate claims that he was firing at a "seal" with a weapon that he had "just found" under his bench you probably can't prove Murder 2 either.

Manslaughter ( from the negligent discharge ) in the commission of a felony ( prior conviction felons aren't permitted to possess Lethal Weapons ) though, that's a slam dunk. this is a clear case of Jury Nullification ... by SJWs.

Blogger bobby December 01, 2017 4:31 PM  

Just as an FYI: This wasn't Felony Murder.

Felony Murder in most states involves a death caused during the commission of any one of several specifically-listed felonies. Felony Murder statutes set out just which felonies will qualify as predicates for the charging of Felony Murder. These usually involve crimes such as robbery, kidnapping, assault - very specific intentional crimes which endanger people by their nature.

Felony illegal presence in the US - basically a status crime - doesn't qualify.

Blogger pyrrhus December 01, 2017 4:32 PM  

Should have been, and would have been anywhere else, at a dead minimum, involuntary manslaughter. Since no normal jury is going to believe his story, more likely 2d degree murder, firing with reckless disregard for life.
It's open warfare on whites...

Blogger pyrrhus December 01, 2017 4:33 PM  

@71 Can't be felony murder, only one participant.

Blogger Latigo3 December 01, 2017 4:35 PM  

Really no one should be surprised by this. This is the same state that gave us the OJ verdict. I was on jury duty ( just missed being on the OJ jury) in Los Angeles at the time of the OJ trial and it was a circus.

Now that I am older, I think that those on Jury Duty should be older than 40 and men. I was about 26-27 and looking back on it, I was too young to be on a murder trial. Even though I was born again in Jesus and living a new life, I realize now that I lacked the wisdom that I have now. The only guy with wisdom in the Jury group that I was in, was in his 50's.
This decision in San Francisco is stupid at all levels. I think the DA in San Francisco set this up for failure.

Anonymous Stephen J. December 01, 2017 4:36 PM  

"he fired the gun three times."

He claimed to have fired the gun three times in his first interview with police. He later retracted this claim, and no evidence was presented that more than a single shot was ever actually fired. So accidental discharge is at least plausible, if of dubious likelihood.

My own opinion is that accidental discharge of a firearm while it's in one's possession should in and of itself be counted as de facto proof of criminal negligence, but I concede that might be far too easily abused by anti-2A prosecutors. But either way, you're right -- manslaughter should still have been a slam-dunk case. I'm more inclined to blame incompetence than malice aforethought, but that hardly matters to Kate Steinle's parents.

Blogger Smokey Dust December 01, 2017 4:40 PM  

You are being too nice. 1 time then impalement. Build the wall with their corpses

Anonymous Cindy December 01, 2017 4:42 PM  

JAG wrote:If I still know my left wingers, the jury found him innocent of everything simply because they were pissed at Trump.

One of the articles linked by another commenter said the defense attorney asked the jurors if they'd be comfortable rendering a verdict that Trump would be angry about. Sounds like an invitation to take out some political frustrations to me.

Anonymous BBGKB December 01, 2017 4:42 PM  

I hear Puerto Rico is becoming less populated. If we're to be stuck with Puerto Ricans,

RT news was especially cruel to US taxpayers by showing the documentary of the Puerto Rican independence movement from before the Hurricane hit. We had a chance to cut them off but now even Puerto Ricans wouldn't be stupid enough to believe PR could make it without handouts.

Anonymous BBGKB December 01, 2017 4:46 PM  

set out just which felonies will qualify as predicates for the charging of Felony Murder. These usually involve crimes such as robbery, kidnapping, assault - very specific intentional crimes which endanger people by their nature.

A felon isn't allowed to have any guns much less a cops stolen gun.

Blogger OGRE December 01, 2017 4:47 PM  

Deplorable Paradigm has it right. This is a textbook manslaughter case and an easy one to make at that. It is not a murder one case and never should have been brought to a jury that way. Murder two could be argued depending on the elements of the applicable statute, as a lot of murder two statues have a 'depraved indifference' element that could apply in this situation. I haven't looked a the California statute so I don't know its particulars, but its not unreasonable to think that a murder two charge could be plausibly presented.

But adding murder one mid prosecution is a big sign of from the top meddling. Nobody charges murder one without the top prosecutor signing off on it; theres a sit down discussion among the top members of the office on why to charge that and how to prosecute it. My guess is the same as Deplorables--they wanted to provide the jury with an out and make it look like they were coming down way too hard on an 'undocumented citizen.' This gives the jury the opportunity to make the emotional response of acquittal as opposed to a finding of not guilty on murder two/guilty on manslaughter.

One thing its not is Felony Murder. Felony murder is not applicable to just any death during the commission of any felony. There are intricate legal theories involved, but the jist is that there has to be some connection between the felony and the death. Usually there has to be some degree of forseeability, that a reasonably foreseeable result of the felony conduct is a death. Its quite a stretch to argue that presence in the country after deportation is so causally linked to causing death as for it to be a proximate cause of death.

Not that the guy doesn't deserve to be banished forever. And if mexico or wherever won't take him back, then banish him to a rowboat at sea with 5 days rations and wish him luck. (Hell a rowboat and some food is more than the government ever gave me for free.)

Blogger DonReynolds December 01, 2017 4:55 PM  

BBGKB wrote:I hear Puerto Rico is becoming less populated. If we're to be stuck with Puerto Ricans,

RT news was especially cruel to US taxpayers by showing the documentary of the Puerto Rican independence movement from before the Hurricane hit. We had a chance to cut them off but now even Puerto Ricans wouldn't be stupid enough to believe PR could make it without handouts.


Puerto Rico voted DOWN Statehood three times in a row. They have never voted in favor of Statehood. At some point, we need to take the hint.
If they do not want to be independent either, add them to the State of Florida, or sell the island to the Cubans. They are always looking for real estate deals. (The Russians would be glad to advance them the money.) Either way, the nonsense finally ends and nobody gets hurt.

Anonymous BBGKB December 01, 2017 4:59 PM  

Oy vey local news story- nothing to see here.

HIV+ school aide had sex with 42 boys as young as 11yo & shot videos with at least 10 of them. Maybe he will get a nigrapist jury.

https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/hiv-positive-school-aide-charged-sexual-offenses-against-42-kids-liberal

that a reasonably foreseeable result of the felony conduct is a death.

Hey Madame Cleo what do you think would happen if a convicted felon wetback illegally got his hands on a cop's stolen gun?

Anonymous Gen. Kong December 01, 2017 5:08 PM  

Still a lot of ghost-dancing around here about manslaughter, legal doctrines of killings become murder when the perp is actively committing felony, etc. There is no rule of law in the Fake Banana Empire, only the law of rule. They were never going to convict him of anything in that city. There was a similar case a few years back where a US family was taking out the 21-year old son for a birthday party in SF and he got killed in crossfire between illegal gangbangers. Family actually sued city over sanctuary policy but blackrobes ruled in city's favor. All of the city officials and even the police who implement the policy are violating Federal law. Why haven't they all been charged and arrested accordingly?? Ditto for the entire government of Californistan, including legislators. There only a law for thee, zeks.

Blogger cheddarman December 01, 2017 5:17 PM  

Trump should order the little brown bastard
held at Guantanamo indefinitely

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Fine Purveyor of Quality Artisanal Gorm ) December 01, 2017 5:20 PM  

81. OGRE December 01, 2017 4:47 PM
that a reasonably foreseeable result of the felony conduct is a death.



uh, it's "reasonably foreseeable" that negligent discharge of a firearm in a public area can result in death.

that's why you get your ass arrested for firing straight up in the air to celebrate the 4th of July.


you lawyers are hilarious.

stacking 50 ridiculous charges against someone who didn't really do anything so the jury will throw out the egregious over charges but still convict on something stupid-but-irrelevant-to-the-theory-of-the-case ( like Scooter Libby or Martha Stewart or Conrad Black ) happens, and succeeds, all the time.

now, it's the stacking of over charges which justifies the voiding of easy conviction valid charges?

no.

this is just as clear as the OJ criminal trial. every Black i've ever talked to about it believes OJ was guilty as fuck.

and every one of them cheered when the jury ruled Not Guilty.

this is Ethnocide.

Blogger kh123 December 01, 2017 5:53 PM  

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Blogger kh123 December 01, 2017 5:59 PM  

@86 " every Black i've ever talked to about it believes OJ was guilty as fuck.

and every one of them cheered when the jury ruled Not Guilty."


Give us Barabbas.

Which, on the flipside, sort of ties into the above point about stacking 50 ridiculous charges in a criminal case: It's a clear sign that the mob wants a bone thrown to them, and the powers that be better be damned sure to give them something, else they up and do something like destroy their own communities.

What was that about new things under the sun? Yeah, the Sunedrion fiasco with Jesus, the whole world - from mob to law - was on trial and didn't even know it. Weighed and wanting the both of them were, and still are.

Blogger Chris Mallory December 01, 2017 6:09 PM  

The California First Degree/ Felony Murder law:
http://www.search-california-law.com/research/ca/PEN/189./Cal-Penal-Code-Section-189/text.html

Section 189. (Amended by Stats. 2002, Ch. 606, Sec. 1.)
Cite as: Cal. Penal Code §189.


"All murder which is perpetrated by means of a destructive device or explosive, a weapon of mass destruction, knowing use of ammunition designed primarily to penetrate metal or armor, poison, lying in wait, torture, or by any other kind of willful, deliberate, and premeditated killing, or which is committed in the perpetration of, or attempt to perpetrate, arson, rape, carjacking, robbery, burglary, mayhem, kidnapping, train wrecking, or any act punishable under Section 206, 286, 288, 288a, or 289, or any murder which is perpetrated by means of discharging a firearm from a motor vehicle, intentionally at another person outside of the vehicle with the intent to inflict death, is murder of the first degree. All other kinds of murders are of the second degree."

Blogger kh123 December 01, 2017 6:11 PM  

...Molyneux suggested futures in random handguns wrapped in t-shirts so as to quatsch potential criminal charges.

I'm surprised they didn't try to pin it on Zodiac. Maybe next time when the defendant has a basic grasp of American culture.

Anonymous Simplytimothy December 01, 2017 6:19 PM  

We are almost there as a people. One s.d at a time, from the tail to the mean, the switch is privately affirmed then voiced


Blogger SteelPalm December 01, 2017 6:51 PM  

Living in the Bay Area, it's been interesting to observe reactions based on race.

Whites, Jews, and Asians are all disgusted and outraged.

Hispanics are mixed; some are disgusted and outraged, while some argue the decision was just.

However, blacks are positively GLEEFUL and JUBILANT that a white woman was murdered and the person doing it got away with it. They see this as payback for the "unarmed blacks killed by cops", and couldn't be more excited and happy.

Blogger SteelPalm December 01, 2017 6:53 PM  

@86 bob kek mando

this is just as clear as the OJ criminal trial. every Black i've ever talked to about it believes OJ was guilty as fuck.

and every one of them cheered when the jury ruled Not Guilty.

this is Ethnocide.


I knew I was forgetting something. Should have ended my last comment with "black people haven't been this excited over a jury's verdict since the OJ trial".

Anonymous Bernard December 01, 2017 6:56 PM  

What is the ethnic make up of the jury? That might explain everything. We are descending rapidly into tribalism and its only going to accelerate

Blogger James Dixon December 01, 2017 6:59 PM  


> They were never going to convict him of anything in that city.

And they will be amazed when people start acting accordingly and start taking matters out of their hands.

> Trump should order the little brown bastard
held at Guantanamo indefinitely

Trump shout tell ICE to take him into custody and to shoot him if he looks at them crossways.

Anonymous gxg December 01, 2017 7:02 PM  

Living in the Bay Area, it's been interesting to observe reactions based on race.

Interesting. Any observations on voting ramifications and opinions on policies? For example, do you have any sense that those who previously supported sanctuary cities, etc., have changed their minds? Or is this a case where they see it as an isolated case?

Last night, reacting to this at home, our conversation turned to the O.J. verdict. It hit me that, at the time, I looked at the the unjust O.J. verdict as an isolated case, or maybe as a case of rich, famous people getting away with murder. Now, I see almost everything through the prism of tribal differences and as part of larger trends.

Just trying to get a sense of where those in the Bay area are on this red-pilling spectrum. Any insights?

Blogger U PC BRO? December 01, 2017 7:27 PM  

@94 It appears that 3 members of the jury were immigrants, with at least 1 speaking Spanish. However, I wouldn't be surprised if majority of jury is White or Asian. Liberal policy has all but driven out browns and blacks from the city as prices are so high. Never underestimate the lengths self hating Whites will stoop to to virtue signal.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine December 01, 2017 7:31 PM  

So, yeah:

#1: Deported multiple times before, still came back. = Felon several times over.
#2: In possession of a (stolen) firearm while a felon. There's at least one more felony, possibly two.
#3: Discharge in a public space. Negligent discharge at the very least.
#4: Death occurred due to him while he was committing at least one felony that DOES qualify to raise the death to murder one.

Doesn't even get manslaughter. "Sanctuary" city likely lets him go before the feds can even show up to deport him (again).

Yeah. If I were related to or knew that woman, that guy would be leaving for permanently warmer subterranean climes within a week or so.

Stack another straw on top... no, actually this time make it a lead ingot.

Anonymous Daniel December 01, 2017 7:39 PM  

Talk about prosecutorial overreach. Mueller has just squeezed a guilty plea from Ret. General Michael Flynn for lying to FBI investigators. What did Flynn lie about? That he communicated with the Russian Ambassador during Trumps interregnum, asking the Russians not to retaliate for sanction imposed by the outgoing Obama regime. Excuse me, Mr. Mueller, but shouldn't incoming administrations be in conduct with partners/allies/adversaries, whatever, so that the new administration can make the transition as seamless as possible? This is what the left is calling treason? Sheesh.

Why did Flynn lie to an FBI agent? Who know, probably because he is a nervous edgy type of guy who always presumes that he is doing something wrong, even when he isn't. This entire Mueller investigation is a whole lot of bull, and Trump will come out on top in the end.

But there is a lesson here: Never speak to a federal official (FBI, IRS, Treasury, Customs, State Dept., US Marshall, US Attorney, Postman, etc), EVER. I repeat, don't EVER speak to them. If they wish to question you, tell them to fuck off. If they want to "bring you in" demand to see a warrant. Only deal with these people through a lawyer. Don't say as much as "good morning" to them.

Blogger Lovekraft December 01, 2017 7:51 PM  

Speaking of Orenthal, the other day I thought that one's opinion on that verdict could be a pretty good summary of where one stands on the 'pill spectrum'.

Either he was a monster who murdered in cold blood and got away with it

or he was framed.

It's examples like this that force people to choose light over darkness. AFAIC, OJ should have been given the death penalty.

Anonymous Millenial December 01, 2017 7:57 PM  

@25: Some millenial recruits whined and the command told the drill seargent to take it easy. Why blame millenials? There have always been whiny recruits and they used to be told to stfu. Its not millenials upholding these complaints. Millenials don't hold positions of authority in the military. It is generation X who hold the positions of middle management in the military and it is Gen Xers who are the problem.

Anonymous johnc December 01, 2017 7:57 PM  

@99

It looks like Flynn's communications with the Russian ambassador are all clear. But him lying to the FBI was just what Mueller needed. Mueller is clearly getting something in return for Flynn's guilty plea. Mueller wouldn't even bother with Flynn if it wouldn't help advance his investigation.

Notice how Trump's legal team has completely thrown Flynn under the bus.

U.S. District Court Judge Rudolph Contreras said [Flynn] had agreed to provide "substantial assistance for prosecution of another person," giving special counsel Robert S. Mueller III a critical leg up as he pursues the case.

http://beta.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-flynn-plea-20171201-story.html

It looks like the "senior White House official" that they intend to target is Kushner.

And this rounds all the way back to how we got a special counsel in the first place: Mueller is going to argue that Kushner (and Trump himself) fired James Comey because they were trying to obstruct the Russia / collusion investigation.

It's no wonder people like Gorka and Bannon left the WH. They don't want to be any part of that shitshow.

Blogger Lovekraft December 01, 2017 7:57 PM  

To the newcomers who haven't been observing the decline for decades, I will just say 'be careful what you wish for.'

Yes, many veils have been torn away and the ugliness has been revealed. The roaches are scurrying. The election of Trump represented a watershed moment that undermined decades of cultural marxist social engineering.

We need the youth as much as the youth need the elders. One directs and advises, the other provides protection.

Anonymous Martha Stewart December 01, 2017 8:04 PM  

@99
Why did Flynn lie to an FBI agent?

You'd be surprised how easy that can happen.

Blogger SteelPalm December 01, 2017 8:46 PM  

@96 gxg

Interesting. Any observations on voting ramifications and opinions on policies? For example, do you have any sense that those who previously supported sanctuary cities, etc., have changed their minds? Or is this a case where they see it as an isolated case?

Last night, reacting to this at home, our conversation turned to the O.J. verdict. It hit me that, at the time, I looked at the the unjust O.J. verdict as an isolated case, or maybe as a case of rich, famous people getting away with murder. Now, I see almost everything through the prism of tribal differences and as part of larger trends.

Just trying to get a sense of where those in the Bay area are on this red-pilling spectrum. Any insights?


In terms of converting leftists into right-wingers, it's impossible to tell, but my sense is that this only true for a very small number of folks in the Bay Area.

Even white leftists (nevermind the non-white ones) are too far gone and entrenched in their views; having their OWN child raped or murdered by an invading vibrant wouldn't necessarily sway their views.

HOWEVER, in terms of converting garden-variety conservatives into more hardcore, nationalist right-wingers, I think this decision has had a large effect indeed. I see a lot more rhetoric resembling that of the posters here, including killing the defense attorney and jailing/deporting the jury.
And far more people are seeing this as a war and the California government as a hostile, traitorous entity.

Blogger Lazarus December 01, 2017 8:49 PM  

johnc wrote:It's no wonder people like Gorka and Bannon left the WH. They don't want to be any part of that shitshow.

Speaking as a non-American, the whole of the U.S. looks like a spectacular, Barnumesque shit-show. Singling one section out for special condemnation seems a tad over-reachy.

It is called the Excited States of America for a reason.

Blogger Lazarus December 01, 2017 8:58 PM  

gxg wrote:Last night, reacting to this at home, our conversation turned to the O.J. verdict. It hit me that, at the time, I looked at the the unjust O.J. verdict as an isolated case,

Kabuki theater. If the glove don't fit, you must aquit. So he tries on the glove, but has to have a rubber glove on first so as not to contaminate the evidence!.

of course it could not fit. And all the morons bought it.

Anonymous Simplytimothy December 01, 2017 9:35 PM  

OT: Trump w.h tells CNN Obama set up Flynn call

https://mobile.twitter.com/ThomasWictor/status/936747253938585600


Troll level: Trump!

Anonymous The Ghost of P. T. Barnum December 01, 2017 9:39 PM  

There's a sucka born ev'ry minute!

I know, I know.. I didn't come up with the phrase but I love it dearly!

Blogger Lovekraft December 01, 2017 9:44 PM  

@ 108

I don't want to step on any toes, but the fact Trump was able to insulate himself from Flynn, who appears to be an Obama/Soros plant, is instructive, and should somehow be incorporated into the 16 points.

"How to avoid entrapment"

Blogger Ken Prescott December 01, 2017 9:56 PM  

Simplytimothy wrote:OT: Trump w.h tells CNN Obama set up Flynn call

https://mobile.twitter.com/ThomasWictor/status/936747253938585600

Troll level: Trump!



The Derp State pulled the pin, released the spoon . . . and then threw the pin.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine December 01, 2017 10:14 PM  

"released the spoon . . . and then threw the pin."

And I'm praying it's a willie pete grenade.

Anonymous Andrew E. December 01, 2017 10:17 PM  

I don't want to step on any toes, but the fact Trump was able to insulate himself from Flynn, who appears to be an Obama/Soros plant, is instructive, and should somehow be incorporated into the 16 points.

Actually I believe the thinking is that Flynn and Trump both held this fact back for maximum boomerang effect against the Swamp. And now they've decided to drop this pearl.

Blogger Lazarus December 01, 2017 10:35 PM  

But regardless, one thing is clear. BUILD THE WALL!
-VD



Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
16h16 hours ago

The Kate Steinle killer came back and back over the weakly protected Obama border, always committing crimes and being violent, and yet this info was not used in court. His exoneration is a complete travesty of justice. BUILD THE WALL!


Do you see?

Trump is not the reason the wall has yet to be built.

The people are not being adamant enough about it with their representatives.

The people = you.

Anonymous JAG December 01, 2017 11:13 PM  

Lazarus wrote:gxg wrote:Last night, reacting to this at home, our conversation turned to the O.J. verdict. It hit me that, at the time, I looked at the the unjust O.J. verdict as an isolated case,

Kabuki theater. If the glove don't fit, you must aquit. So he tries on the glove, but has to have a rubber glove on first so as not to contaminate the evidence!.

of course it could not fit. And all the morons bought it.


OJ clearly held his hand in a rigged way to enhance the illusion as well. He was well coached on that maneuver.

OpenID archerfisher21 December 01, 2017 11:40 PM  

And predicably, redstate.com already cucked out about how we've been fed outrage lies about this case, the sig has a hair trigger of 4.4 pounds, blah blah. https://www.redstate.com/sarah-rumpf/2017/11/30/lied-kate-steinle-case/

Talk about pathetic.

Anonymous gxg December 02, 2017 12:11 AM  

HOWEVER, in terms of converting garden-variety conservatives into more hardcore, nationalist right-wingers, I think this decision has had a large effect indeed.

Thanks for the response. That really is fascinating and useful information as far as where our red-pilling efforts could be directed. Yup, quite interesting indeed.

Blogger tublecane December 02, 2017 1:02 AM  

@71-"basically a status crime"

No, it's trespassing.

Blogger Raging Papist December 02, 2017 1:13 AM  

Build the Wall. Deport them all.

It's the only way this ends "peacefully."

Blogger tublecane December 02, 2017 1:15 AM  

@107-They bought it, or it gave them an excuse.

My question is: Why didn't the framers check O.J.'s glove size?

Blogger tublecane December 02, 2017 1:35 AM  

What I don't understand is usually people criticize prosecutors for piling on charges to intimidate people into taking plea deals or juries into convicting on lesser charges. But on this case, people are saying piling on charges made the jury less likely to convict on lesser charges. What gives?

Blogger Montrose December 02, 2017 2:56 AM  

> The Rev. Jon Pedigo, director for advocacy and community engagement at Catholic Charities of Silicon Valley, said it was clear from the start that the shooting was unintentional.

> “There’s no getting around the tragedy that this woman was killed,” he said. “A person picked up a gun and did not know what to do with it. But it’s unfortunate that this woman’s death was used and abused for political point-making by Trump and the anti-immigrant movement. It was used as a way to attack solid policies.

Blogger Mackus December 02, 2017 4:12 AM  

Uhmmm....
There wasn't conviction for manslaughter because they wanted to stick it to the whites.

Anonymous Ghost Who Walks December 02, 2017 10:54 AM  

The Lame Cherry has made d good case that the pistol in question had been "straw walked" to the location where the shooter-- a paid agent sent to recover it, but also a dumbass-- waved it around in play, whereupon, because it had a trigger safety and his ignorant finger was on the trigger, it discharged, killing the woman with a ricochet. WHO is responsible for the criminal attempted transfer ob this firearm from an... oh, nevermind!

Anonymous The Watcher of the Skies December 02, 2017 2:02 PM  

@52
@92


“We are very pleased with the jury,” said Matt Gonzalez, the lead defense lawyer in the case and the chief attorney of the San Francisco Public Defender’s Office. “We have such great diversity built in in San Francisco and I think we have a jury that understands a lot of the concerns about the defendant receiving a fair trial.”

quoted from this article:

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/10/18/kate-steinle-trial-jury-selected-jose-garcia-zarate/

Because DIVERSITY...

Anonymous Kevin December 03, 2017 5:56 AM  

Maybe they should sue the Park Ranger who left their gun unattanded in a place known for car thefts. Why are park rangers armed anyway?

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