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Saturday, December 02, 2017

Nationwide concealed carry

This should significantly reduce crime throughout the country. No doubt Black Lives Matter will freak out over this proposed law, since private citizens defending themselves and others will almost certainly kill more black criminals than the police:
The National Rifle Association has called the concealed carry bill, which would make it easier for gun owners to keep their firearms hidden when crossing state lines, its “highest legislative priority in Congress.” Despite concerns raised by Democrats about states’ rights and domestic violence, the Republican-controlled Congress has pushed the proposal one step closer to becoming law.

The House Judiciary Committee late Wednesday voted 19-11 for the Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017, which would amend the federal criminal code to allow the concealed transport of handguns across state lines, so long as both states allow it. States will not be able to impose their individual requirements for a concealed carry license on armed travelers from other states.

Republicans rejected Democratic amendments that would ban violent offenders from qualifying under the law, as well as a change that would have prevented forum shopping, which means a New York resident barred from obtaining a concealed carry permit could instead send away for one from somewhere else. The bill, which has more than 200 co-sponsors, almost all Republicans, now heads for the floor of the 435-member House. A similar bill, with 38 Republican co-sponsors, is pending before the Senate Judiciary Committee.
Is there anything less convincing than Democrats fake-crying over states rights? That ship sailed long ago and they cheered its sailing.

And once more, we're seeing that the God-Emperor is an observably better conservative president than Reagan, let alone the Bush family.

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Anonymous Peter December 02, 2017 8:14 AM  

The risk for national ccw is a national database of owners.. when permits work across state lines there will be a need for a national systen.. right now in many states permit/background info is gone in 30 day...and this will also natutally lead to national standards of ccw.. not a bad thjng in its self but you can bet it will not be as permissive as the lowest state regs right now .. but its a good thing.

This is not a federal vs state issue.. right to bear arma is a bill of rights issue and by definition is a federal issue.

Anonymous Breeder December 02, 2017 8:18 AM  

@1 Bah. If you're a gun owner and you think you're not already on a federal list, you're fooling yourself. This way we can at least protect ourselves everywhere. Major win.

Blogger Groggy December 02, 2017 8:19 AM  

And once more, we're seeing that the God-Emperor is an observably better conservative president than Reagan, let alone the Bush family.

They don't call him the God-Emperor for nothing, you know!

Blogger VD December 02, 2017 8:19 AM  

The risk for national ccw is a national database of owners.

Spoken like a true conservative. Always vigilant for the defeat that is sure to come from every victory.

Why not simply pass a law banning the establishment of any national database of gun owners? Why not look to reinforce success rather than assume defeat?

Blogger WATYF December 02, 2017 8:23 AM  

meh... MO is Constitutional Carry now so taking advantage of this would be a step backwards since I'd have to pay a fee just to register myself with the gubment and get fingerprinted like a common criminal. They should have written it so that states are only allowed to enforce their carry laws on residents and that all residents of other states are only subject to the carry laws of those states (including no laws at all). Or SCOTUS could just obey the constitution and rule that everyone has the right to bear arms.

WATYF

Blogger JACIII December 02, 2017 8:33 AM  

Democrat states make a lot of hay off of the inadvertent felonies charged when a CCW holder blunders unawares into their territory.

Maryland SP will run out-of-state plates to verify CCW, then pull you over and look for your firearm. $$$$$$$

It is instructive that the opposition uses the same arguments proven false 30 years ago when the CCW movement began; lies that they know are lies. Repeated constantly by media and pol. "Blood in the Streets!"

Blogger Salt December 02, 2017 8:37 AM  

Though a step in the right direction, National Constitutional Carry, i.e. Vermont style, is the only solution when purviewed through the 14th Amendment.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 02, 2017 8:38 AM  

I have read accounts where out of staters have gone thru Marxist shitholes such as Jersey and Maryland and the state troopers running their plates and then pulling them over if they are on the CC lists of their states.

Anyway the left is just a bunch of hysterical little bitches I double dog dare them to bring up states rights, scream it from the roof tops for all I care.

Conservatives the shrunken testes little men who greatly fear the shrieks of the crazy women. When in fact all the crazy women want is a firm pimp hand to keep them inline.

Blogger Ned December 02, 2017 8:38 AM  

All those Berkeleyesque anti-gun (anti rights) Prozi scum, who applaud an armed felon illegal alien getting off with no penalty can bite me.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 02, 2017 8:43 AM  

Peter wrote:The risk for national ccw is a national database of owners.


There already is. It's called your vehicle licence plate. Most states link your CCW to that and cops in other states have access to that data.

A friend who lives in Michigan got pulled over in Illinois and the conversation with the cop began with, "I know you've got a gun in the car."

No, he didn't for that very reason. He had paid attention in CPL class.

Blogger Ingot9455 December 02, 2017 8:46 AM  

As I said to all the Denbie Downers on another site, learn to play the damn game.

The bastards have played salami slice politics with our rights for centuries, taking a little more and never giving anything back. When you get a chance to take some back you grab it, even if it's not perfect. You bleed them as you go and you lever that win into more and more.

You have your talking points ready to go - do you know how many concealed carriers were within one floor of Paddock at Mandalay Bay but couldn't have a weapon with them? And so on.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 02, 2017 8:46 AM  

In Illinois gun control is boob bait for scared white libtards that live near vibrant diversity. It seems though that in Cook county when one of the vibrants commits a crime with a gun and actually is arrested the states attorney throws out the gun charges then they plea it down then Tyronius gets his much reduced sentence and his D voting fambily rests easier since they will only have to make so many trips for visitors day.

But don't you gentle white suburbanite drive thru Chitown with an evil gun, oh noes.

Blogger Ned December 02, 2017 8:49 AM  

@ 2. Breeder is correct - see generally 42 U.S. Code § 666, and specifically (13)(A). Information collected under the guise of child support enforcement.
If you purchased a hunting license, you are in the database, whether or not you ever filled out a 4473.
Better not to worry about being on a list. You're probably on some list for visiting random websites.
And yes - gathering SSN info under § 666 seems just a little creepy.

Blogger James Dixon December 02, 2017 8:50 AM  

> Maryland SP will run out-of-state plates to verify CCW, then pull you over and look for your firearm. $$$$$$$

I'm pretty sure this is one of the reasons so many states have done away with the requirement.

Anonymous BBGKB December 02, 2017 8:51 AM  

Even if you can carry its possible for a disabled veteran to go to jail for life for murder if he kills one of 2 masked armed robbers pointing guns at him after being hailed as a local hero, after DOJ took special interest in Obama son killer. https://www.facebook.com/FreeJeromeErsland/

If there was nationwide Concealed carry you wouldn't have crimes like:
Oy vey local news story- nothing to see here.

HIV+ school aide raped 42 boys as young as 11yo & shot videos with at least 10 of them. Maybe he will get a nigrapist jury.

https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/hiv-positive-school-aide-charged-sexual-offenses-against-42-kids-liberal



OT:ADs taken out to influence Supreme Court Cake decision
http://www.towleroad.com/2017/11/open-to-all/

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 02, 2017 8:54 AM  

Who exactly does the gun control movement wish to disarm?

Anonymous Looking Glass December 02, 2017 8:57 AM  

@16 Mr.MantraMan

Civilized White Men. They've already managed to systematically destroy the civilized Black Men, so they've been trying to replicate the effect since the 1970s.

Blogger Cool Guy449xx_420 December 02, 2017 8:58 AM  

Mr.MantraMan wrote:Who exactly does the gun control movement wish to disarm?
Everyone who isn't on the gubmint payroll, I believe.

Anonymous Mayonnaise December 02, 2017 8:58 AM  

@1: "... right now in many states permit/background info is gone in 30 day."

Yeah, right. And I'm a Chinese jet pilot.

Blogger Dave December 02, 2017 8:59 AM  

Speaking of Black Lives Matter, advertising agencies may soon need to reconsider their propensity to showcase blacks in every ad:

https://www.therebel.media/black_lives_matter_launching_black_christmas_to_resist_white_capitalism

Blogger maniacprovost December 02, 2017 9:03 AM  

Years ago, I posted on redstate that the same Equal Protection argument used for gay marriage also applies to national concealed carry; this immediately triggered their cucking instincts and I was warned for being "homophobic."

Blogger seeingsights December 02, 2017 9:03 AM  

'And once more, we're seeing that the God-Emperor is an observably better conservative president than Reagan, let alone the Bush family.'

I'm a Gen Xer. The conservatives from the Greatest Generation and the Silent Generation that I knew didn't seem big on gun rights, which puzzled me. One of them even supported gun control (he was a 'Law and Order' type).

But a female--and younger--co-worker is a member of the NRA. So arguably she's more pro gun rights than I am. Heh.

Anonymous Random #57 December 02, 2017 9:03 AM  

With the current makeup of the Supreme Court, this is just a trap. People are going to get arrested and prosecuted by the police in anti-gun states, the Federal Courts with a couple of possible exceptions are going to nullify the law, and the Supreme Court will deny cert as they have for every firearms appeal since McDonald. Trump needs to replace a couple of the four on the left, or Roberts or Kennedy, we don't know which switched sides after McDonald.

Anonymous Rien December 02, 2017 9:07 AM  

OK, I'll bite: They voted 19-11? LOL! https://infogalactic.com/info/M1911_pistol

Blogger Jimmy December 02, 2017 9:08 AM  

In Ohio a few years ago, the CCW licenses hit on the car license plate with the same buzzer alarm as a felony warrant. The operant conditioning of police officers as part of survival training is bad enough without adding a trigger for law abiding activity. I will avoid the police like I would plague victims regardless of the law.

Anonymous Icicle December 02, 2017 9:09 AM  

The conservatives from the Greatest Generation and the Silent Generation that I knew didn't seem big on gun rights, which puzzled me.

That's because they grew up in a majority-white society.

Blogger seeingsights December 02, 2017 9:09 AM  

'Who exactly does the gun control movement wish to disarm?'

One argument for gun rights is that its a corollary to the natural right to self defense.

I agree with that, but the real reason for gun rights is that its an insurance policy against tyranny.

Blogger Chris Mallory December 02, 2017 9:11 AM  

"the Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017, which would amend the federal criminal code to allow the concealed transport of handguns across state lines, so long as both states allow it."

The "both states allow it" isn't much of a change from current law. It still allows citizens to get screwed over in the Boston to DC corridor.

Current Federal law allows a firearms owner to carry across state lines if the owner's home state and the destination state both allow the owner to use the firearm. But when passing thru communist states, especially New York, New Jersey and Maryland you have to have the firearm separated from ammo and not accessible from the passenger compartment or locked in a case if the vehicle does not have a trunk. Currently some states will get you if you stop for anything other than gas or the bathroom even if you are following Federal law. They claim that if you stop to sleep or eat you are not traveling. New York City is notorious for getting airline passengers who have a firearm in checked luggage, but through no fault of their own are delayed and forced to take possession of their luggage in the airport.
The "both states allow it" language has to be changed or this proposed law is just so much hot air.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville December 02, 2017 9:17 AM  

States will not be able to impose their individual requirements for a concealed carry license on armed travelers from other states. That's great for a CCW holder carrying in NYC. Those bastards will put in prison now if they catch you.

WAYTF, I'm a MO CCW holder, and I will continue to renew for just the reason above. Sure I can carry unlicensed within the State, but it is reasonable to have a CCW to take advantage of being able to carry nationwide if the law is passed.

Blogger Gloriam Deo December 02, 2017 9:17 AM  

It’s a good concern. Easily fixed too. Simply require national standards but registration is handled by states. Boom. Done.

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira December 02, 2017 9:23 AM  

Allowing Americans to defend themselves from criminals is an attack on black folks and other people of colours.

Anonymous Random #57 December 02, 2017 9:25 AM  

@28. Chris Mallory:

"The "both states allow it" isn't much of a change from current law. It still allows citizens to get screwed over in the Boston to DC corridor."

There isn't a state in the union that doesn't in theory allow civilian concealed carry, although some like Hawaii and New Jersey don't issue licenses. Even D.C. recently gave up, not daring to appeal to the Supreme Court. But as I noted in @23, these states will still win the battle in the Federal courts, aside from maybe D.C. where the appeals court has a pro-2nd Amendment majority. The appeals court for Illinois also might still have one.

Anonymous Mayonnaise December 02, 2017 9:26 AM  

The "both states allow it" language has to be changed or this proposed law is just so much hot air.

Patience, grasshopper. As with any negotiation, there are concessions to be made. This was one of them.

Take the big win now and start correcting the "both states" problem in 2020.

Blogger Lovekraft December 02, 2017 9:26 AM  

I think that what this issue really boils down to, and is a reflection of a bigger problem, is the lack of consistency, verifiability and confirmability.

Let me explain. I think that the gun control 'issue' is a reflection of scurrilous government bureaucrats, cabals of lobbyists etc who have ZERO intention of every resolving this issue once and for all. I mean, study the face of a Chuck Schumer and tell me I'm wrong.

Basically, until we remove this element from our society via strong and consistent political/judicial leadership, neuter the lobbyists and media, and bring an entirely new structure to the conversation, we'll just see more of this dogandpony show.

Blogger Lovekraft December 02, 2017 9:28 AM  

Somewhat related (exposing the marxists):

http://takimag.com/article/lets_name_the_segregated_universities_joe_bob_briggs#axzz5077k9rdK

My comment referenced Vox Day and convergence. I suggest a rating scale of 0 - 5. 0 being anti-fragile. 5 being fullMelissaClick.

Blogger Chris Mallory December 02, 2017 9:31 AM  

Random #57 wrote:There isn't a state in the union that doesn't in theory allow civilian concealed carry, although some like Hawaii and New Jersey don't issue licenses.

But where they will get you is on the "transporting". If you stop in the New York City to sleep for a night, you are no longer transporting and will need a pistol permit from NYC along with the concealed carry permit.
That is how NYC currently interprets the current Federal Safe Travel law.

Blogger Miguel December 02, 2017 9:32 AM  

Fantastic.

The "Never Trump" Recuckians must be gnashing their yellow as they watch the Alt-Right-endorsed president do more in 1 year than all their "True Conservative"® or "True Christian"® presidents do in almost 50 years.

Blogger WATYF December 02, 2017 9:45 AM  

WAYTF, I'm a MO CCW holder, and I will continue to renew for just the reason above. Sure I can carry unlicensed within the State, but it is reasonable to have a CCW to take advantage of being able to carry nationwide if the law is passed.

Right, it's a modest step in the right direction. It just doesn't have much appeal to me because I detest the idea of having to pay a fee and register myself with the government just to do what I should be free to do regardless and because I rarely leave my home (let alone the state) so there's no utility in me getting a CCW now just for the nationwide reciprocity. No doubt others will have different circumstances that might make this worthwhile.

WATYF

Anonymous Creation Rebel December 02, 2017 9:50 AM  

This:
"Republicans rejected Democratic amendments that would ban violent offenders from qualifying under the law, as well as a change that would have prevented forum shopping, which means a New York resident barred from obtaining a concealed carry permit could instead send away for one from somewhere else."

and this:

"This should significantly reduce crime throughout the country."

totally makes sense

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass December 02, 2017 9:58 AM  

Given that this is a right enshrined in our Constitution I'm all for it.

@1 You don't remember the FBI holding on to purchase data back to '87, the year after I was born? Anyone who fills out a 4473 is on a list, period. Then there's people like me who have filled out so many SF-86s that we understand the government knows pretty much everything about our lives.

@6 As long as you don't plan on leaving Missouri, that's fine.

I can't wait for der Trumpenführer to sign the law. I'll finally be able to go visit my gf whilst still carrying my pistol (her state has CCW but doesn't recognize my state's permit).

Blogger Koanic December 02, 2017 10:05 AM  

The God-Emperor's rays of divine order blast through the chaos serpent maelstrom surrounding him.

Albeit diminished.

Today we celebrate scythe permits for peasants in an age of chivalry.

Blogger Amy December 02, 2017 10:15 AM  

NJ won’t issue CC unless you’re LEO or in certain allied services, secure transport, or a victim of crime who continues to live in circumstances where you’re a victim.

I had a very long relationship with a guy who became a state trooper after college. Yes, they do run plates for CCLs. Yes, they love to play gotcha. Yes, they hate it when the tables are turned. This could be a keystone in the breakup of the states into separate ‘nations’ or rather city-states or legal nations as many have speculated.

Id Love CC but it’s not happening in my state. Registry? Please. I have a SSN. I’m registered. I’ll pile icing on their cake until they choke in a diabetic coma. Everything else is distraction. It’s not unimportant, just not immediate right now. Influence the watchers and fence sitters. You need numbers for this kind of thing.

Blogger WATYF December 02, 2017 10:18 AM  

You don't remember the FBI holding on to purchase data back to '87, the year after I was born? Anyone who fills out a 4473 is on a list, period.

Yeah, there was a story a few years back about how the MO gov't not-so-legally shared its CCW list with some federal agency. Even if they aren't keeping every 4473 indefinitely, you could still end up on a list through some other means.

WATYF

Anonymous Random #57 December 02, 2017 10:33 AM  

@36 Chris Mallory:
Random #57 wrote:

There isn't a state in the union that doesn't in theory allow civilian concealed carry, although some like Hawaii and New Jersey don't issue licenses.

"But where they will get you is on the "transporting". If you stop in the New York City to sleep for a night, you are no longer transporting and will need a pistol permit from NYC along with the concealed carry permit."

"That is how NYC currently interprets the current Federal Safe Travel law."

And every other anti-gun state that I know of. Here's the text from the law, you will not find it in the US Code, a trick done for a number of pro-gun law provisions to make it harder to use them:

"Any person not prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport an unloaded, not readily accessible firearm in interstate commerce notwithstanding any provision of any legislation enacted, or any rule or regulation prescribed by any State or political subdivision thereof."

It is not even a strong provision, since it only provides a defense, and doesn't provide penalties for violating it. But here we are talking about a new law, we will have to see what it says, and my point is about how it will be interpreted or just ignored by anti-gun Federal judges. They are already with only two exceptions in the appeals courts completely ignoring the "and bear" part of the 2nd Amendment.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 02, 2017 10:42 AM  

The big question as always will be the Senate.

Some senators who are good liberals otherwise will roll over for gun rights depending on the state and how close to reelection they are.

I don't know what the math will be this time around but the timing is pretty good if they are actually trying to push this through.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 02, 2017 10:43 AM  

Peter, states already share CCL data nationally, same as DL data. Only those who carry in states that have no prohibitions or laws requiring permission escape being in the database.

Blogger GK Chesterton December 02, 2017 10:44 AM  

I live in a very left state with very tough gun laws. I don't want this law, not because I don't want state reciprocity, but because of a very real fear that I won't have anywhere to escape _to_. What the feds give they can also take.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 02, 2017 10:47 AM  

Cataline, IL specifically does NOT prohibit out-of-state persons from carrying in their car. But your friend's experience does prove the scope of our living in a fishbowl.

Blogger Michael Maier December 02, 2017 10:50 AM  

Yeah, if you ever bought a gun, you're on their lists. It's funny how folks will rail about Hillary not being held accountable for the email vulnerability but have wet dreams about the BATF and other feds obeying the law and "purging" documents as required by law.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 02, 2017 10:53 AM  

Mr. Mantra, Chicago was forced by state law (even in IL, I know it's astonishing) to drop even it's magazine size ban. A holder of an IL CCL can carry any pistol (s)he wants, right on the Magnificent Mile, as long as it's concealed. Even a Draco with a 30 Rd mag, if it fits under the coat. (Not that using such a gun in self-defense might be inviting serious trouble from the Leftist lunatics in the Crook County States Attorney office.)

Blogger allyn71 December 02, 2017 10:54 AM  

The Democrats are going to lose their minds over this. They hate self defense so much that they want to ban Plexiglas shielding around the counters of carry out stores in Philly.

Philly Lawmakers Seek to Ban Bulletproof Glass in Liquor Stores

My State allowed constitutional carry a year or so ago. Now that they no longer can tell who has a gun and who doesn't by calling in the plates I estimate that traffic stops are down @50%.

They don't seem to have the same appetite to fuck with people anymore. An armed society is a polite society.

Blogger Koanic December 02, 2017 10:55 AM  

If this passes I'll add a decade to James LaFond's life expectancy.

Blogger allyn71 December 02, 2017 10:58 AM  

@47 GK Chesterton

but because of a very real fear that I won't have anywhere to escape _to_. What the feds give they can also take.

Don't live in fear. No force on earth can disarm the American nation.

Molon Labe

Blogger dc.sunsets December 02, 2017 11:02 AM  

Oh, we know who hates CCL.
https://pjmedia.com/trending/philly-lawmakers-seek-ban-bulletproof-glass-liquor-stores/

Nothing says Black Lives Matter like legislation intended to make armed robbery a safer occupation.

Anonymous roadrage December 02, 2017 11:03 AM  

Anybody and EVERYBODY whose not an agent of the state. Gun control has never been about removing guns from the culture, its about removing guns from those who might resist their self-appointed masters.

Blogger RC December 02, 2017 11:06 AM  

One step at a time. It's taken thirty years to get us to the current circumstances. If we keep taking bites out of the apple, we'll regain lost liberties. It's been beautiful too, demonstrating that all of their "blood in the streets" caterwauling has come to nothing state after state, year after year, victory after victory.

Illinois is my own personal problem as I must travel through there several times a year to get to Kentucky from Missouri. I cross the Mississippi river into Illinois, drive less than 100 yards, then turn right to cross the Ohio River into Kentucky. I'm in Illinois for less than a minute but I just know those bastards will someday set up a sting within that short stretch.

Anonymous Cyclone Bob December 02, 2017 11:07 AM  

A similar bill, with 38 Republican co-sponsors, is pending before the Senate Judiciary Committee.


Waiting to see how McBraintumor ultimately fucks this up for everyone.

Blogger James December 02, 2017 11:31 AM  

Looking Glass wrote:@16 Mr.MantraMan

Civilized White Men. They've already managed to systematically destroy the civilized Black Men, so they've been trying to replicate the effect since the 1970s.


Ah, yes the rare and endangered civilized Black Men. How many are still left? I can count three I know of. Thomas Sowell, Ben Carson, and Walter Williams. Maybe Sheriff Clarke, maybe Herman Caine and Allan West, although they may just be posers that know honky financially rewards well-spoken-credits-to-their-race. Any others you can think of?

Jimmy wrote:In Ohio a few years ago, the CCW licenses hit on the car license plate with the same buzzer alarm as a felony warrant. The operant conditioning of police officers as part of survival training is bad enough without adding a trigger for law abiding activity. I will avoid the police like I would plague victims regardless of the law.

This is an interesting conundrum. When do police become pigs? Police have almost always been a punishment rather than a protection. When the SHTF, the police and mindlessly obedient military will be our most formidable opposition. We pay them, but someone within the hierarchy determines their advancement, assignments, and whether or not they are fired. There is a dual loyalty in play, and one is to the system itself. Police eventually lose their Shepherd responsibilities and become a Pit Bull instead. They will be used to enforce thought crimes just as enthusiastically as they will murder. Probably moreso, since it is no longer a crime to kill Whites.

seeingsights wrote:'Who exactly does the gun control movement wish to disarm?'

One argument for gun rights is that its a corollary to the natural right to self defense.

I agree with that, but the real reason for gun rights is that its an insurance policy against tyranny.


As an insurance policy against tyranny is why the Founding Fathers insisted on it in the Constitution. They mentioned the right to self-defense in other writings, but just assumed that was common sense. Sort of like not mentioning that only Whites could become citizens. Who in 1789 would have thought anyone could think anything else? When we write the next Constitution we need to include statements like “And anyone else that tries to fuck with this will be either killed or exiled”. Of course, in more socially acceptable form.

Blogger pyrrhus December 02, 2017 11:34 AM  

I am skeptical about Ryan, but CC is pretty popular in Wisconsin, so maybe he will play ball...Arizona is constitutional carry, but also issues CC permits, which may be necessary under this bill for reciprocity. I hope not...

Blogger pyrrhus December 02, 2017 11:37 AM  

@60 The left, including the cucks, doesn't want to disarm their militarized gendarmes, of course. They need them to impose their desired Soviet style regime, and eliminate the dirt people who object...

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd December 02, 2017 11:53 AM  

To get to any other state, I have to drive through Canada, so this is a non-event for me. I'm happy for you all, of course.

Mayonnaise wrote:Take the big win now and start correcting the "both states" problem in 2020.

Start correcting in 2018, by primarying all the incumbents. I've been trolling midwit forums with ``Primary all the incumbents.''

Blogger Akulkis December 02, 2017 12:06 PM  

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Blogger Akulkis December 02, 2017 12:07 PM  

That's Senator Zuni Rocket Forrestal Fire McBraintumor to you, bub, and don't you forget it.

Blogger Akulkis December 02, 2017 12:12 PM  

Canada is a confederation of states, just none of them are part of the United States republic.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky December 02, 2017 12:30 PM  

The concealed carry thing may fly. The thing is, I'm starting to see lefties arm up around here. A primo example is my brother-in-law, he and his wife (and their three daughters) are as SJW as they come. Over Thanksgiving he shocked me by announcing an intention to buy a gun. He's out at a gun show today.

Two years ago, even, this was inconceivable.

Blogger Elizabeth December 02, 2017 1:30 PM  

Chris Mallory wrote:"the Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017, which would amend the federal criminal code to allow the concealed transport of handguns across state lines, so long as both states allow it."

The "both states allow it" isn't much of a change from current law. It still allows citizens to get screwed over in the Boston to DC corridor.

Current Federal law allows a firearms owner to carry across state lines if the owner's home state and the destination state both allow the owner to use the firearm. But when passing thru communist states, especially New York, New Jersey and Maryland you have to have the firearm separated from ammo and not accessible from the passenger compartment or locked in a case if the vehicle does not have a trunk. Currently some states will get you if you stop for anything other than gas or the bathroom even if you are following Federal law. They claim that if you stop to sleep or eat you are not traveling. New York City is notorious for getting airline passengers who have a firearm in checked luggage, but through no fault of their own are delayed and forced to take possession of their luggage in the airport.

The "both states allow it" language has to be changed or this proposed law is just so much hot air.


Yup. I belong to a gun club here in NJ and also run a women's shooting group. Legally, the gun must be transported while in a locked case in my trunk, with the ammo separate from it. I keep the ammo and other supplies in a canvas bag on the floor of the backseat covered with a towel. I must drive straight from my home to the range and back. Arguably, I can't stop for gas, even if I don't get out of the car (New Jerseyans don't pump their own gas). The Governor-elect, Phil Murphy, is very anti-gun and we expect more hostile legislation. Oh, well, gear up for battle, Second Amendment champions.

Blogger Elizabeth December 02, 2017 1:38 PM  

a deplorable rubberducky wrote:The concealed carry thing may fly. The thing is, I'm starting to see lefties arm up around here. A primo example is my brother-in-law, he and his wife (and their three daughters) are as SJW as they come. Over Thanksgiving he shocked me by announcing an intention to buy a gun. He's out at a gun show today.

Two years ago, even, this was inconceivable.



Why is he buying the gun?

Blogger James December 02, 2017 1:43 PM  

a deplorable rubberducky wrote:The concealed carry thing may fly. The thing is, I'm starting to see lefties arm up around here. A primo example is my brother-in-law, he and his wife (and their three daughters) are as SJW as they come. Over Thanksgiving he shocked me by announcing an intention to buy a gun. He's out at a gun show today.

Two years ago, even, this was inconceivable.


Did you enjoy any satisfaction at the inconsistency of his liberal belief system? And were you able to contain the evil joy you felt when you questioned him about how he came to his new belief, since he was now one of those clinging to his guns to explain his frustrations? Maybe you were able to inject some comments about black and illegal immigrant crime rates into his psyche? Maybe you cruelly pointed out that his daughters were not to be defined as only one gender, so that if they were raped it might be zir on zir and, therefore, not male oppression of females? I hope so.

Blogger Elder Son December 02, 2017 1:47 PM  

Of course, as we all know, if we keep going down this highway of government permissions granted to us by our overlords, we'll soon have the permission to 2A. I can only imagine, that one day, they will permission us to liberty, by out permission'ing themselves. I, for one, thank my overlords for all these permissions.

Blogger Elder Son December 02, 2017 2:06 PM  

The definition of winning is contingent upon permission.

Anonymous BBGKB December 02, 2017 2:17 PM  

Oh, we know who hates CCL.
https://pjmedia.com/trending/philly-lawmakers-seek-ban-bulletproof-glass-liquor-stores/

Nothing says Black Lives Matter like legislation intended to make armed robbery a safer occupation


That's actually a separate problem if you read the article its nig representatives hating that Asians can set up shop & profit in their neighborhoods. Several cities have this problem.

Anonymous Travis Bickle December 02, 2017 3:13 PM  

private citizens defending themselves and others will almost certainly kill more black criminals than the police

You may want to strike "almost".  Second City Cop seems to post more items on armed citizens killing orcs and walking scot-free than they do about police-involved shootings in town.

Anonymous JAG December 02, 2017 3:30 PM  

Mr.MantraMan wrote:Who exactly does the gun control movement wish to disarm?

The true nature of the leftist is contrarian. They want the law abiding disarmed to cause maximum chaos.

Also, when arguing with an anti-gun SJW always point out that the purpose of the 2nd amendment is to kill totalitarian leftists when they invariably take things too far, and the people have no other recourse.

Anonymous JAG December 02, 2017 3:48 PM  

allyn71 wrote:The Democrats are going to lose their minds over this. They hate self defense so much that they want to ban Plexiglas shielding around the counters of carry out stores in Philly.

Philly Lawmakers Seek to Ban Bulletproof Glass in Liquor Stores


And here is a perfect example of the true nature of the leftist being contrarian. It also illustrates that the left wing, and the left hand path are one and the same. The only possible motivation for such a law is evil. The leftist bitch wants more robberies and murders of store clerks.

Anonymous Jack Amok December 02, 2017 4:10 PM  

Is Elder Son's sperg permit valid here?

Anonymous FP December 02, 2017 5:06 PM  

@61

I thought there were car ferries that never enter Canadian waters going from Alaska to WA?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 02, 2017 5:06 PM  

Yes legally in a county committed to the extra legal

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 02, 2017 5:25 PM  

If elected representatives would defend citizens who are traveling thru the Marxist hell holes maybe we could kick this break up up a gear

Blogger Kona Commuter December 02, 2017 5:27 PM  

Elizabeth wrote:Why is he buying the gun?

I'm in Australia and even I can answer that although to be fair I'm a bloke so I know the score.

He's buying firearms because if you have an ounce of common sense you don't want to be without one during a civil war.

Blogger Elder Son December 02, 2017 5:34 PM  

Jack Amok: Being a kept man is winning. Everything else is "sperg".

Blogger Elder Son December 02, 2017 5:44 PM  

Or: I validate my whole life and existence on permissions, and restrictions, as validated by my overlords.

Blogger SciVo December 02, 2017 5:49 PM  

Salt wrote:Though a step in the right direction, National Constitutional Carry, i.e. Vermont style, is the only solution when purviewed through the 14th Amendment.

Sure. And when a Wealthy Insider Carry state revokes its concealed carry laws entirely in response to this, then there may actually be political will for a Congressional bill more along those lines. And since federalism is dead, long live Federalism, our only choice is nationalization or unilateral disarmament (which is to say, between winning or losing).

I would rather use the same arguments that imposed abortion and gay marriage on the states that didn't have them, but through our elected representatives, instead of through black-robe tyrants and faceless inspectors. Indeed, while reducing the anti-liberty power of Federal judges and regulators is a laudable goal in itself, it is not mutually exclusive with replacing them all with guys that are on our side.

Blogger SciVo December 02, 2017 6:00 PM  

JAG wrote:And here is a perfect example of the true nature of the leftist being contrarian. It also illustrates that the left wing, and the left hand path are one and the same. The only possible motivation for such a law is evil. The leftist bitch wants more robberies and murders of store clerks.

Also an example of how Intersectional Feminism's adjective negates the noun, because of course many (perhaps most) of those clerks will be women.

Anonymous The Original Arrogant Steelers Fan December 02, 2017 6:05 PM  

"I rarely leave my home (let alone the state) so there's no utility in me getting a CCW now just for the nationwide reciprocity."

It's an enormous issue for many, many others. The Pennsylvania/New York state line is a good example. Getting pulled over in New York (New York being such a police state it's more probable than not) without their permit while carrying... there's no limit to the books they can throw at you.

It's also a big deal in the biking community with the rides and the charity work... plus other reasons that aren't as benign. It's definitely a step in the right direction and solid proof that the right to carry in this country is not only not going away anytime soon, but will probably be expanded. At the end of the day the cops and even most elites know that an armed populace makes them safer as well.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit December 02, 2017 6:06 PM  

Despite concerns raised by Democrats about states’ rights

Horrible? Hilarious? How Democrats are only ever interested in "states rights" when they need to enslave somebody.

Blogger Elder Son December 02, 2017 6:30 PM  

What other of the 10 amendments do states have the right to nullify, because of "states rights"?

Anonymous CoolHand December 02, 2017 6:47 PM  

The True Nature™ of all leftists is to act as mulch around sweet raspberry bushes.

We must help them achieve their full potential by arranging for them to meet the woodchipper of their dreams.

Prolly gonna need some guns for that, whether the law really allows for it or not.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 02, 2017 6:50 PM  

I'm starting to see lefties arm up around here.

For many men, this is their first dose of the red pill.

Blogger James Dixon December 02, 2017 8:20 PM  

> What other of the 10 amendments do states have the right to nullify, because of "states rights"?

Now, or as originally conceived? Originally, all of them. The bill or rights was only intended to be binding on the federal government.

Blogger Elder Son December 02, 2017 8:35 PM  

So, James Dixon, when some states demanded that the 10 amendments were added to the constitution, before being ratified, they did that with the mind that it did not have any bearing on the states and could be ignored at will, but only if the states ignored them?

Blogger Elder Son December 02, 2017 9:02 PM  

Well, one thing is certain, both the states and feds look at the 10 amendments with contempt, unless it can be used as a colorful pretext to expand their power over the people.

Anonymous Bukulu December 02, 2017 9:42 PM  

Elder Son,

The states each have their own individual state constitution.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 02, 2017 9:59 PM  

The proposed legislation is quite easy to read. It is basically like a driving permit reciprocity. It is obvious why some libtard journo-lists melt down in a freakout over it. Pay attention to (c)(1). NYC and NJ police chiefs will bleed out their nose if this becomes Federal law.

We'll see where it goes. Lots of roadblocks possible. Gotta like the House number: HR-38 although HR-45 would have been more bettah.

Anonymous Peter December 03, 2017 8:24 AM  

@2.. yes i was an FFL so i know i am manyna list. The point is right now its spotty .. when a ccw permit becomes like a drives license it will be seemless.

The point here that a national ccw permit is probably better than not one, but it has risks. My person opinion (as a gun guy with ccw) that its going this way. National lic, national data base, national strandards for award of ccw, training requirements (you will be required to qualify on your ccw) and heres something new .. liabiliy insurance.. when the gun comes like the car, so does the gun.. proof of insurance.

Anonymous Peter December 03, 2017 8:25 AM  

And stated rights aside, if permets work interstate it will be under federal control.

Blogger DonReynolds December 03, 2017 12:32 PM  

To those people who believe they can impose Gun Control on armed citizens at the expense of their own personal safety, I leave you the following note.

Nobody has more experience or more authority in the control of firearms than the military. It is considered essential discipline to control and restrain a good many people with some serious weapons.

After the assassination of Martin Luther King there was serious rioting in Memphis (and elsewhere). The Tennessee National Guard sent large units to the city to deal with the rioting. At one point, the rioters were seriously beginning to threaten the lines of National Guardsmen. The commander gave the order for them to "Load Your Weapons!"....but nobody moved a muscle.
Why? They had already loaded with live ammo on their own initiative.

Even in the most controlled environment, the ranks in the military, people are not going to sacrifice their own safety for the sake of the appearance of Gun Control.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd December 03, 2017 12:34 PM  

FP wrote:@61

I thought there were car ferries that never enter Canadian waters going from Alaska to WA?


About $1,000 to cross the Gulf to Juneau, about $1,000 more to get to Bellingham, all with a vehicle. You do enter Canadian waters, but don't have to get off the ship.

Blogger DonReynolds December 03, 2017 1:06 PM  

@54 dc.sunsets

"Nothing says Black Lives Matter like legislation intended to make armed robbery a safer occupation."

I am sure you already know, removing the Lexan from the cash windows of liquor stores does not make armed robbers safer...but it will certainly make life unsafe for the clerks who work in liquor stores.

Blogger DonReynolds December 03, 2017 1:12 PM  

Rather than remove the bullet-proof shields from liquor stores, I had rather the state require liquor stores to be 6,000 or 10,000 square feet in retail space in order to be licensed. The state could make this an administrative regulation or actually change state law.

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Blogger James Dixon December 03, 2017 8:59 PM  

> Lots of roadblocks possible.

Yep, like this one: https://www.facebook.com/RepThomasMassie/posts/1843059172384905

Blogger James Oswald December 05, 2017 7:45 PM  

I have carried concealed for 40 years now. It is my God-given right, recognized by the US Constitution. Recognized, not granted. Lived in Wash, DC. Carried, concealed. Marion Barry was Mayor. Carried, concealed in NYC. Wouldn't go there without. Chicago, Seattle, Portland, Louisville, Baltimore...Standing on a street one Saturday night, guy standing a few feet away got drive-by-ed. Local thing, I guess. Didn't draw. Miami. Standing on the Courthouse steps (not carrying) a guy standing 10 feet away gets blown away by shotgun. Witness to a drug thing. Anyway, I lament the begging of gun permits, and the permission to carry. We already have permission. I'm a Boomer, so am out of favor with Vox, but I love that guy. Don't comment much, but read and share his books.

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