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Saturday, December 02, 2017

The Roman invasion of Britain

Caesar's invasion site is believed to have been found:
The first Roman invasion of Britain by Julius Caesar in 55BC is a historical fact, with vivid accounts passed down by Tacitus, Cicero and Caesar himself. Yet, despite a huge landing force of legionaries from 800 ships, no archaeological evidence for the attack or any physical remains of encampments have ever been found.

But now a chance excavation carried out ahead of a road building project in Kent has uncovered what is thought to be the first solid proof for the invasion. Archaeologists from the University of Leicester and Kent County Council have found a defensive ditch and javelin spear at Ebbsfleet, a hamlet on the Isle of Thanet. The shape of the ditch at Ebbsfleet, is similar to Roman defences at Alésia in France, where a decisive battle in the Gallic War took place in 52 BC.

Experts also discovered that nearby Pegwell Bay is one of the only bays in the vicinity which could have provided harbour for such a huge fleet of ships. And its topography echoes Caesar’s own observations of the landing site.

Dr Andrew Fitzpatrick, Research Associate from the University of Leicester’s School of Archaeology and Ancient History said: “Caesar describes how the ships were left at anchor at an even and open shore and how they were damaged by a great storm. This description is consistent with Pegwell Bay, which today is the largest bay on the east Kent coast and is open and flat.

“The bay is big enough for the whole Roman army to have landed in the single day that Caesar describes. The 800 ships, even if they landed in waves, would still have needed a landing front 1-2 km wide. Caesar also describes how the Britons had assembled to oppose the landing but, taken aback by the size of the fleet, they concealed themselves on the higher ground. This is consistent with the higher ground of the Isle of Thanet around Ramsgate.”

Thanet has never been considered as a possible landing site before because it was separated from the mainland until the Middle Ages by the Wanstum Channel. Most historians had speculated that the landing happened at Deal, which lies to the south of Pegwell Bay.
This is, of course, absolutely fascinating in its own right. It would be intriguing to compare the layout of the land with the historical descriptions. But it is also an important lesson in the difference between history and archeology, and how there is very little physical evidence of many events that are widely accepted as having taken place.

Science is simply not a viable metric for the past, due to the intrinsic limits of scientody.

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84 Comments:

Blogger Matthew Funk December 02, 2017 6:00 AM  

Awesome, can't to see what turns up!

Blogger Dave December 02, 2017 6:03 AM  

Another better pic of the dig:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/archaeologists-discover-where-julius-caesar-landed-britain-180967359/?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=socialmedia

Anonymous Rocklea December 02, 2017 6:04 AM  

Mary Beard can now find some hard evidence of the African-Roman influence in early Britain.

Blogger wreckage December 02, 2017 6:04 AM  

Also, science properly deals with the repeatable. History is neither repeatable nor directly observable.

Blogger yoghi.llama December 02, 2017 6:05 AM  

So Julius Caesar's description of his conquests look more accurate.

Hence the empty tomb theory looks more credible!

Nope. You're clutching at straws there. If Aristotle were alive I think he'd personally smack you up with a big kyosaku.

Blogger VD December 02, 2017 6:29 AM  

Nope. You're clutching at straws there. If Aristotle were alive I think he'd personally smack you up with a big kyosaku.

You're a historical illiterate. By every historical standard, there is far more credible documentary evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ of Nazareth than there is for the existence of the mythical "Alexander the Great".

You literally don't know what you're talking about.

Blogger The Observer December 02, 2017 7:16 AM  

Science is simply not a viable metric for the past, due to the intrinsic limits of scientody.

A good way to get under the skin of Fedora atheists is to ask them to prove by the same standards that they set for God, that George Washington ever existed.

Blogger Groggy December 02, 2017 7:36 AM  

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Blogger JACIII December 02, 2017 7:41 AM  

800 ships. Holy hell, what an empire. Julius went BIGLY.

Blogger Gordon December 02, 2017 7:45 AM  

Clear evidence for this theory is provided by the discovery of an ancient airfield just a short distance away. British aeronauts would have taken off from that site to attack Ceasar's fleet, to prevent a successful invasion. Sadly, the Rolls-Royce Merlin engine had not been completed in time, and in fact no aircraft flew from the site before 1916.

Blogger Groggy December 02, 2017 7:46 AM  

Science is simply not a viable metric for the past

I don't understand how you arrive at this conclusion.

Science can be a very viable way to look into the past or to measure it or to be a metric for it.

Not with infallible confidence but with increasing confidence the more independent lines of evidence are amassed.

For example the science of palaeontology allowed us to learn what we know about the dinosaurs.

The science of geology allowed us to understand plate tectonics, ancient earthquakes, and unimaginably ancient events such as the formation of the continents.

Science allowed us to understand the formation of the solar system ~ 4 billion years ago and as we look out into the universe we look back in time ~ 13 billion years due to the finite speed of light.

Blogger Gordon December 02, 2017 7:47 AM  

Julius was a serious dude, JACII. He was also a snappy dresser. Contemporaries commented on how he followed fashion, and they didn't think that was, well, dignified. But the people loved it.

Blogger Groggy December 02, 2017 7:48 AM  

800 ships. Holy hell, what an empire. Julius went BIGLY.

That was before the Empire, it was still a Republic when Julius went. I think he was a democratically elected Consul at that time.

Blogger Groggy December 02, 2017 7:51 AM  

Julius was a serious dude, JACII. He was also a snappy dresser. Contemporaries commented on how he followed fashion, and they didn't think that was, well, dignified. But the people loved it.

He was a populist and the elites of the day (his colleagues in the senate and the other noble houses) hated him enormously and resented his popularity with the people and conspired to bring him down any way they could.

Blogger Amy December 02, 2017 7:58 AM  

>>Julius was a serious dude, JACII. He was also a snappy dresser. Contemporaries commented on how he followed fashion, and they didn't think that was, well, dignified. But the people loved it.

He was a populist and the elites of the day (his colleagues in the senate and the other noble houses) hated him enormously and resented his popularity with the people and conspired to bring him down any way they could.
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So, the Trump of the Roman Republic, then.

Blogger The Kurgan December 02, 2017 8:00 AM  

This is absolutely true.
When I visited Ilium (Troy) after reading the Iliad and trying to reconcile it with the geography, what amazed me was that it all fit. Except you had to allow for the fact that a plain before the city has changed quite dramatically in the interim of 3 or 4 millennia.
What astonished me however, which I had never seen written about anywhere then or since is that an underground aquifer that leads into the city proper actually exists and it definitely can e used by a person to gain access to the wells within the walls. That is how Ofysseus supposedly entered the city.
Archaeology is truly interesting but like so much of our modern world it is infested with sjws.

For example: a masters in electormechanical engineering I was going to do before I broke my Achilles' tendon could be done in one year full time or two years part time.
Archeology degree?
Minimum of four years with a self-important feminist deciding whether you'd pass it.

I paid 14 bucks instead and got a diploma from miskatonic univeristy online.
Once I finish my project and publish book and documentary I'll quote the woman "professor" and display my own $14 diploma proudly.

Blogger Groggy December 02, 2017 8:03 AM  

So, the Trump of the Roman Republic, then.

It's eerie how the patterns of history are repeated, isn't it?

Blogger Gordon December 02, 2017 8:06 AM  

Eh, Amy, you're not too far off. Julius had wife issues, and one could say that he had Never-Juliusers. "yes, he's a good general and has brought a lot of money back to Rome, but he so vulgar...."

Blogger VD December 02, 2017 8:09 AM  

British aeronauts would have taken off from that site to attack Ceasar's fleet, to prevent a successful invasion.

Ahem. I think you mean Black British aeronauts.

I don't understand how you arrive at this conclusion.

I'm not even a little surprised. Groggy, you mean well, but you're too short for this ride. Seriously. You just need to stop trying to argue here. You're not up to it.

Blogger Amy December 02, 2017 8:15 AM  

Not eerie at all. Predictable, rather. But history moves to slowly for our tastes. We’re all Veruca Salt, we want it now! And nothing that happened before matters (it does, I’m characterizing an attitude not proclaiming my own).

Kurgan, I find there is a tendency to assume WE People of the Modren Era are more informed, intelligent, capable of detailed observations and reports, better at truth and less prone to embellishment than those idiots of the past, ie our ancestors.

It’s natural to doubt some stories, but why does it surprise people to find out that history written thousands of years ago was, ummm, accurate? It is dumbfounding to me.

Blogger Groggy December 02, 2017 8:17 AM  

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Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 02, 2017 8:17 AM  

Afro-Romans held their pilums sideways, obviously.

Blogger Groggy December 02, 2017 8:20 AM  

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Blogger JACIII December 02, 2017 8:23 AM  

One can only imagine how intimidated Caesar was by the mighty army of Shaka Zulu lining the ridge above them.

Blogger Chrom December 02, 2017 8:24 AM  

African-American British aviators of color.

More syllables = more important.

Blogger Groggy December 02, 2017 8:24 AM  

Afro-Romans held their pilums sideways, obviously.

We Wuz Legionareez

Veeny Viddy Veeechy n shit

Blogger Groggy December 02, 2017 8:29 AM  

More syllables = more important.

Who wants to be a black when you can be an African-American Person of Color?

Blogger Groggy December 02, 2017 8:30 AM  

I suppose "ain't nobody got time for that!" as they say.

Or,

Tunc est non obtinuit ut nullus!

As the Afro-Romans used to say.

Blogger Gordon December 02, 2017 8:32 AM  

Ahem. I think you mean Black British aeronauts.

Gosh, need it be said? https://tinyurl.com/ybpedvx9

And if you think Mary Beard was a goofus talking about black Romans: https://tinyurl.com/ycgfafcn

Apparent coal-burning single mother included at no extra charge.

The Royal Shakespeare Company reserves half the roles for girls, so you get female Roman centurions, and dot-Indian Roman senators.

Blogger Groggy December 02, 2017 8:35 AM  

And nothing that happened before matters (it does, I’m characterizing an attitude not proclaiming my own).

As one intellectual said (can't remember who unfortunately), speaking to young college students today about their knowledge of history, it is as follows:

* There's all the stuff today

* Before that there was Hitler

* Before that was some sort of Game of Thrones thing

* Nothing before that

Jordan Peterson asks all his new students, how much do they know about the atrocities of the Soviet Union? How many of them know that so many people were killed under communism that it's not known what the body count is to the nearest 10 million?

Having gotten all the way to university, something like second-year, to Jordan Peterson's class, always zero of them know anything about the atrocities under the Soviet Union, except the odd one who knows about it and then Peterson asks them how the know about it? It's because they watched Peterson's YouTube channel and learned about it there.

Blogger Dave December 02, 2017 8:41 AM  

Maybe Groggy should start a bloggy

Blogger Groggy December 02, 2017 8:45 AM  

It’s natural to doubt some stories, but why does it surprise people to find out that history written thousands of years ago was, ummm, accurate? It is dumbfounding to me.

With regard to the OP, I think that a lot of this history comes from Caesar's Commentaries which are looked at suspiciously because it's possible that it's a self-serving account full of bias and self-promotion.

In other words it's not an impartial account, and it's written in a politically-charged context with Caesar promoting his achievements back to Rome.

However on the other hand as it has been said before, there is not much lying that Caesar could have gotten away with because there were so many thousands of other Romans who were in and around these events that he would have been instantly caught out, especially since he had so many enemies around him baying for his blood.

Blogger seeingsights December 02, 2017 8:46 AM  

'800 ships. Holy hell, what an empire. Julius went BIGLY.'

Thinking about military history, it does seem that successful attacks from sea on land involves massive naval forces.

Julius Caesar recognized that over 2,000 years ago. We moderns have the benefit of history.

Blogger Groggy December 02, 2017 8:52 AM  

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Anonymous BBGKB December 02, 2017 9:14 AM  

I thought this would be about Mary Beard finding Britain's first KFC

Fedora atheists is to ask them to prove by the same standards that they set for God, that George Washington ever existed.

Perhaps we should ask alexia:

Alexa is a shitlib Jesus vs moohammad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKPldVHCi6k&feature=youtu.be

Blogger Johnny December 02, 2017 9:27 AM  

@32 With regard to the OP, I think that a lot of this history comes from Caesar's Commentaries which are looked at suspiciously because it's possible that it's a self-serving account full of bias and self-promotion.

I favor choosing as a given that which is most likely, and, then and now, unbiased accounts are the exception. Bragging is still with us and we commonly bias things with selective memory. By my lights the best conceptual model is to remember that 'facts' are only things that are likely to be true, accepted as true because decisions have to be made based on available information.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass December 02, 2017 9:30 AM  

Sorry to hear about AlphaGame but this is a great find re: Cesar.

Blogger Amy December 02, 2017 9:54 AM  

@ 32 Groggy, you improve upon my own loquy. I offer you my courtesy, with no swish of petticoats or turn of panniers.

Blogger Thanks, J. December 02, 2017 10:28 AM  

Top blackpill articles at the Telegraph U.K.
1)"Harry's gang: Who's who in the Prince's inner circle - and will Meghan Markle fit in?
3)"Mixed race relationships are no longer an exotic rarity but the new normal"

The U.K. is over.

Blogger RobertDWood December 02, 2017 10:32 AM  

The carts had spinners no doubt

Blogger RobertDWood December 02, 2017 10:34 AM  

https://youtu.be/-VZ7mWkIEXg epic rap battles of history. Shaka vs Caesar. You decide.

Blogger Akulkis December 02, 2017 11:13 AM  

@yhogi.llama

Apparently you are unaware that Josephus, a historian living in Rome, wrote about Jesus, while Jesus was still alive.

Blogger Akulkis December 02, 2017 11:22 AM  

Groggy,
Why did the North American colonies revolt against Great Britain?

Your answer must only use scientific methods.

Blogger Akulkis December 02, 2017 11:30 AM  

And oversized rims with low-profile wheels.

Blogger Groggy December 02, 2017 11:31 AM  

I'm not even a little surprised. Groggy, you mean well, but you're too short for this ride. Seriously. You just need to stop trying to argue here. You're not up to it.

If I were intelligent enough then I would simply know you are right and agree with you; but I have disagreed upon one point, so I am clearly not intelligent enough it seems.

I should have known not to argue with you about scientody, because of course you are the acknowledged world authority on the topic, nobody being able to hold a candle to you.

I suspect that on the topic of scientody you will never meet your match and you will be tragically doomed to find people too short for your ride. Even John Derbyshire was found too short for this ride so I am in good company.

Also, when somebody says they don't understand how you arrived at that conclusion, they are not really admitting their own inability to understand, but they are offering polite criticism and offering the other person the opportunity to explain themselves.

What they are saying is: 'That looks wrong - care to justify it for us low IQ peasants?'.

Blogger Groggy December 02, 2017 11:35 AM  

Groggy,
Why did the North American colonies revolt against Great Britain?

Your answer must only use scientific methods.


I only say science can be a viable method, I don't say it is the right method for answering every question.

Different tools for different jobs. Historical research would be the right way to answer that question.

Blogger Dos Voltz December 02, 2017 11:47 AM  

I bought a genuine Roman spear on eBay, they say it was once owned by a centurion 2000 years ago named Tyrique The Power Forward. I was shocked it only cost $100, what a bargain!

Blogger Gordon December 02, 2017 11:54 AM  

Dos Voltz, it should have come with a signed and sealed certificatorium authenticitatem. There is just way too much fake Tyrique merchandise.

Anonymous Anonymous December 02, 2017 12:09 PM  

As a guido, I have much pride in my ancestor's work.

- Tony

Blogger dienw December 02, 2017 12:18 PM  

Dos Volts, I bet the spear even came inscribed "The Spear of Destiny."

Tres Amps

Blogger Elder Son December 02, 2017 12:24 PM  

Science allowed us to understand the formation of the solar system ~ 4 billion years ago and as we look out into the universe we look back in time ~ 13 billion years due to the finite speed of light.

That is the prevailing theory. But, it is not the only theory.

"In the beginning, there was nothing. Then it exploded?"

Blogger VD December 02, 2017 12:55 PM  

If I were intelligent enough then I would simply know you are right and agree with you; but I have disagreed upon one point, so I am clearly not intelligent enough it seems.

Hey Gamma!

It's not about your disagreement, even though you didn't actually express disagreement, merely a failure to understand. It's not about this one point.

It's about the fact that your comments here reliably demonstrate that your IQ is more than 2 standard deviations below my own, which, according to science, means there is absolutely no point in my attempting to communicate with you.

Please feel welcome to return to your inarticulate gruntings. I will continue to ignore them.

Blogger DonReynolds December 02, 2017 12:59 PM  

What artifacts are not going to tell us or prove what was Caesar's own version of the story.....that the defenders waded into the sea to fight the Romans from reaching land.

Part of this was blamed on the very dramatic tides on the coast of England, which grounded Caesar's ships and they could not move during low tide. (The Romans were unfamiliar with dramatic tides.) The defenders were simply using a tactic that had worked in the past....wait for low tide, when the invading ships are grounded and immobile. There won't be any artifacts that demonstrate these aspects.

Much of what has been preserved from the ancient past cannot be demonstrated by pottery shards and pieces of metal. We understand that some stories are self-serving and even exaggerated, but they are seldom complete fiction.

Blogger DonReynolds December 02, 2017 1:26 PM  

Amy wrote:It’s natural to doubt some stories, but why does it surprise people to find out that history written thousands of years ago was, ummm, accurate? It is dumbfounding to me.

Until fairly recently, it was assumed that ancient Troy (and the Trojan Wars) were entirely mythical and never existed....until the ruins of Troy were actually discovered.

I am not for certain which is worse...to actually lose history that has been passed down to us through the ages by simply ignoring or forgetting it OR to decide that it was either fanciful literature, political propaganda, public relations, or otherwise pure fiction anyway. I suppose the best outcome is when it is preserved as a heroic saga for entertainment, even if we refuse to believe that greatness has existed in the past, even if we can find none of it in ourselves. Stands to reason that greatness would be rare and unusual and for that reason alone should be preserved and passed along as an example to the future of what their inherited genes are capable of.

Anonymous Adlow December 02, 2017 1:47 PM  

@6 VD

'By every historical standard, there is far more credible documentary evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ of Nazareth than there is for the existence of the mythical "Alexander the Great".'

Only by an incredibly naive reading of historical texts. It is true that the Gospels were written within a hundred years of Jesus' death, while the earliest surviving documentation of Alexander comes 200 years after. But not a single event in the life of Jesus can be corroborated by events documented elsewhere.

By contrast, Greek kingdoms are documented to have existed soon after Alexander's death where none had existed before, in Anatolia, Syria, Persia, and Egypt. This considerably raises the conditional probability of Diodorus Siculus' account being true.

Blogger Elder Son December 02, 2017 2:22 PM  

@54

You have the continuous history of the Jews rejecting a not person?

Blogger Elder Son December 02, 2017 2:28 PM  

You have a continuous history of the Jews proclaiming that Jesus' miracles were nothing more than the work of the devil?

Blogger Stephen Ward December 02, 2017 2:40 PM  

@54 Adlow

2000 years of people worshiping a not person? 12 backwoods fishermen converting the mightiest empire of the time?

Where is Alexander's empire now?
Where now are the Romans?

Blogger Daniel December 02, 2017 2:59 PM  

Links pls

Blogger FUBARwest December 02, 2017 3:19 PM  

@Adlow

How do you explain contemporary historians who were not christians and sometimes hostile to Christianity mentioning a man named Jesus or Christus and how he was put to death by Pilate?

You could argue he wasn't the son of God(incorrect position) but how in the world could you argue he never existed by any historical measure?

OpenID leukosfash December 02, 2017 3:44 PM  

@Adlow,

You're beclowning yourself. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. You're atheist teachers were wrong about everything. Just stop.

Blogger yoghi.llama December 02, 2017 4:29 PM  

I may have heard that one a few times before. It's true, and it's whataboutery.

If there were a worldwide religion of Alexandrists telling us we had to believe in their legends to save our souls, then you would have a good point.

Blogger Elder Son December 02, 2017 4:56 PM  

There isn't a worldwide religion of Alexandrists telling us we had to believe in their legends to save our souls. So there is no point to be gathered from it.

Blogger Skyler the Weird December 02, 2017 4:58 PM  

Marius was the Trump of the Roman Republic. The elites got behind Sulla to oust him. He wanted to kill Marius' nephew Gaius Julius Caesar but was talked out of it. The elites got rid of the populist and next came a Dictator.

Blogger Skyler the Weird December 02, 2017 5:02 PM  

Alexander was a prophet of Islam according to the Koran so you'll be made to believe in him.

Anonymous Adlow December 02, 2017 5:05 PM  

@59 FUBARwest

How do you explain contemporary historians who were not christians and sometimes hostile to Christianity mentioning a man named Jesus or Christus and how he was put to death by Pilate?

I don't, because they don't exist.

You could argue he wasn't the son of God(incorrect position) but how in the world could you argue he never existed by any historical measure?

Show me where I made that claim.

Blogger Skyler the Weird December 02, 2017 5:15 PM  

Flavius Josephus (The Jewish War) didn't exist? Tacitus (Annuls of Rome) didn't exist? Pliny (Letter to Trajan) didn't exist.

Anonymous Adlow December 02, 2017 5:23 PM  

@66

Skyler the Weird wrote:Flavius Josephus (The Jewish War) didn't exist? Tacitus (Annuls of Rome) didn't exist? Pliny (Letter to Trajan) didn't exist.

Look up the word "contemporary." If you can figure that out, look up the scholarly debates on the authenticity of the relevant passages in Josephus (not from "The Jewish War," by the way).

Blogger FUBARwest December 02, 2017 5:26 PM  

@Adlow

Who is Tacitus for $500 Alex?

I guess you bringing up that the only historical evidence of Jesus exists is from a naive reading of the gospels was completely not heading in the direction of Jesus not existing as a historical figure.

I am curious why you think Greek empires appearing in lands after the death of Alexander automatically means he as a person existed and wasn't a legend made up.

Anonymous Adlow December 02, 2017 5:45 PM  

@68

You falsely claim I was saying Jesus didn't exist, you think I was referring to the Gospels when I said "naive reading," and you can't even use the word "contemporary" correctly, yet you want me to explain higher-order logical inference to you?

Anonymous The Original Arrogant Steelers Fan December 02, 2017 7:04 PM  

"Ahem. I think you mean Black British aeronauts."

NASSA? lmao...

Anonymous The Original Arrogant Steelers Fan December 02, 2017 7:09 PM  

The use of 3D modeling technology (LiDAR), gpr, drones and super high res imagery is going to take forensic archeology to new levels. I for one can't wait. It is one of the cool things to be alive for in this most high tech of dark ages.

Blogger Groggy December 02, 2017 7:39 PM  

Hey Gamma!

It's not about your disagreement, even though you didn't actually express disagreement, merely a failure to understand. It's not about this one point.

It's about the fact that your comments here reliably demonstrate that your IQ is more than 2 standard deviations below my own, which, according to science, means there is absolutely no point in my attempting to communicate with you.

Please feel welcome to return to your inarticulate gruntings. I will continue to ignore them.


I am intelligent enough to predict your next move would be to call me a gamma or a midwit - you did both in one single comment - well done!

You are thoroughly predictable and thoroughly misanthropic.

Ciao.

Blogger VD December 02, 2017 8:18 PM  

I am intelligent enough to predict your next move would be to call me a gamma or a midwit - you did both in one single comment - well done!

Of course. I always call a spade a spade and I always call a gamma a gamma.

You are thoroughly predictable and thoroughly misanthropic.

The first part is obviously untrue. The second part is very nearly as false. I simply dislike gammas, don't tolerate midwits, and have little taste for repeatedly explaining the fairly obvious to the less intelligent.

I have no problem being around people who don't insist on advertising their ignorance and cognitive limitations.

Blogger Groggy December 02, 2017 8:34 PM  

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Blogger Scott Birch December 02, 2017 10:15 PM  

I hear Ms. Beard fiund some big 'ol Afro-combs at the site and is keen to spread the good news.

Blogger GraceIronwood December 02, 2017 10:32 PM  

This is surely compelling evidence of the Great Theft of African intellectual property by whites. Looking forward to the BBC series.

Blogger GraceIronwood December 02, 2017 10:52 PM  

Thanks, J. wrote:Top blackpill articles at the Telegraph U.K.

1)"Harry's gang: Who's who in the Prince's inner circle - and will Meghan Markle fit in?

3)"Mixed race relationships are no longer an exotic rarity but the new normal"

The U.K. is over.


Have a look at Millenial Woes' recent video rebutting exactly this sentiment expressed by Stefan Molyneaux. He has an interesting perspective on the nature of a people. Where I disagree with Mr. Woes is his assertion that we should should "worship" our ethnicity. He's probably an atheist like many of us, who has not considered the significance of Christendom in providing a stable moral framework and the seedbed for the life of the mind and human dignity.
Woes, for his part, should consider Molyneaux's progression to cultural Christianity.

Blogger vorlos December 03, 2017 12:47 AM  

The UK is anti-Christian/post Christian. It is also anti-white and anti-civilization based on the Meghan thing. We should appreciate and be grateful for our heritage. Harry ttriumphantly threw that away, gave the middle finger to British history and civilization, spat on the graves of all who fought and died for it. He is beyond evil. He destroyed his ppl. All so he will be god-like to the orcs and saintly beyond question to us lesser, unenlightened zeks. He rolled s coconut into a castle, and as a superior being demands we acknowledge a Hollywood cum dumpster as royalty in the "ancient seat of kings" in"this sceptured isle." Amazing.

Anonymous Travis Bickle December 03, 2017 11:07 AM  

Groggy:  I looked for you on Gab and didn't find you.  If you post your ID I'll fill you in (it's OT here).

BTW, Recaptcha hates Pale Moon in Firefox compatibility mode.  It tolerates Pale Moon in native mode, but that makes Google Maps falls back to Lite version.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 03, 2017 12:02 PM  

@17 Groggy

It's eerie how the patterns of history are repeated, isn't it?
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I'm reading a book now that is attempting to explain cycles in history. But the author is using some very weak examples. Apparently suffering the progtard disease.

Such as comparing joan of arc to the 1968 student riots of France. Weak.

But if someone was to compare Trump to Ceaser in some cycle, that might be more interesting.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 03, 2017 12:07 PM  

@28 Groggy
As the Afro-Romans used to say.
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If yall wasnt so raaasciiisstt you would know they were called Fromans

Blogger Were-Puppy December 03, 2017 12:10 PM  

@35 BBGKB
I thought this would be about Mary Beard finding Britain's first KFC
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Col. Sanders is the whitest of white dudes. Just look at his white silhouette.

Blogger Abyssus Invocat December 04, 2017 12:13 PM  

@Groggy you’re like a moth to the flame, mate

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